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  • #61
    Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
    This is where I am looking.



    The passage that leads to/from Rose Alley is on the other side of a building marked 'S' (shop?) but if used by police in 1888, there is a side door that opens into that passage where PC Hutt could have watched Kate exit out onto Bishopsgate St.

    Query:
    Since the British Library stopped using Flash, I have been unable to enlarge these maps. Is there a solution to this?
    I had to use Windows to enlarge that portion and as you can see it is not really suitable.
    Can anyone help?
    Hi Wick.

    I think just by Hutt’s statement of saying she turned toward Houndsditch indicates she exited the front of the station somewhere. Hutt also stated he pushed the door and Kate pulled it to. According to inquest, The first door Hutt pushed was a swing door. I think by looking at the map you can see there are two doors leading to the main front door. Those two openings may have been swing doors? Then Kate walked through the passage to the main front door. Which of the two main front doors I have no idea.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
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      Interestingly, the building marked 'S' to the left of the Police Station is No.35 Bishopsgate St. The Post Office Directory for 1882 & 1895 both give 35 Bishopsgate St. as the postal address of Bishopsgate Police Station.
      So it looks to me like at least the downstairs was still used by the police station in 1888.
      Regards, Jon S.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
        The woman released at 1.00 am from Bishopsgate Police Station may have used an exit in Rose Alley.
        Interesting Simon. Maybe she was accompanied to Mitre Square by one of the off-duty policemen (the killer?) who lived in Rose Alley.

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        • #64
          Hi Scott,

          I wasn't aware that any policemen lived in Rose Alley.

          Please tell me more.

          Simon
          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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          • #65
            Hi Simon,

            A number of City Police and their families did. Robert Sagar, among others. I went through the 1891 census some time ago and can remember a number of policemen's families living in Rose Alley. See the map in post #57.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Scott Nelson View Post
              Hi Simon,

              A number of City Police and their families did. Robert Sagar, among others. I went through the 1891 census some time ago and can remember a number of policemen's families living in Rose Alley. See the map in post #57.
              One City Policeman that always stuck out for me was at 12, Rose Alley by the name of John Batchelor.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jerryd View Post

                One City Policeman that always stuck out for me was at 12, Rose Alley by the name of John Batchelor.
                John Batchelor is a name I’ve come across before.

                have to dig through my files as to why.
                Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by erobitha View Post

                  John Batchelor is a name I’ve come across before.

                  have to dig through my files as to why.
                  J H Batchelor, perhaps?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                    Hi Scott,

                    I wasn't aware that any policemen lived in Rose Alley.

                    Please tell me more.

                    Simon
                    I'm just guessing, but the large building taking up one whole side of the alley and marked as "Policeman's Buildings" may signify there were more than a few. Section house, perhaps?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by erobitha View Post
                      John Batchelor is a name I’ve come across before.

                      have to dig through my files as to why.
                      The infamous cheesemonger of Aldgate High Street?!
                      Or the other one?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

                        The infamous cheesemonger of Aldgate High Street?!
                        Or the other one?
                        Probably. I can't for the life of me find it now. If I do get a eureka moment I will post here.
                        Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
                        JayHartley.com

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by erobitha View Post

                          Probably. I can't for the life of me find it now. If I do get a eureka moment I will post here.
                          I suspect Jerry's suggestion that he is one half of Le Grand and Batchelor is where you remember the name from?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

                            I suspect Jerry's suggestion that he is one half of Le Grand and Batchelor is where you remember the name from?
                            Bingo. The "detectives"
                            Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
                            JayHartley.com

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                            • #74
                              Rose Alley, early 1900s -

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                              Simon
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