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Ultimately, of course, as has been pointed out, we will in all probability never know the answer to this conundrum. However, I respectfully disagree as to there being little point in knowing about the missing last 45 minutes of Eddowes life. It may indeed be extremely important.
Disregarding the "alleged" sighting of Eddowes by Lawende, the last person to 100% positively identify her, was a policeman...the policeman who let her out of custody at 1pm. The next person to see her, at 1.45pm, was also a policeman. Difference being of course, one saw her alive, one saw her dead. In between, normally a roughly 7 minute walked journey took possibly a good 40 minutes. In consequence of rain, wearing men's boots.
Now, apart from the obvious fact that had she carried on walking, from the police station, directly towards Mitre Square, it would have taken far less time than it did, we are left with only plausible, not even probable. However.
My point comes back to what we know for certain. And PC Watkins own testimony about the whole evening on his beat, is of crucial importance to those 40 minutes.
Because... Even if Eddowes walked directly to Mitre Square in 7 minutes.. Watkins, would likely have seen her at 1.15pm when he would apparently be previously in Mitre Square. So clearly, if he didn't see her at 1.15pm, and upon exiting the square saw no person in Mire Street (remember, his own testimony states he saw "no-one all evening", she simply wasn't there at that time, not approaching the square from Mitre Street at that time.
Which now brings PC No. 2 into the picture. P C Harvey approached Mitre Square via Church passage. His, was a beat which approaches Mitre Square from the opposite direction to Watkins, on another 30 minute beat. But...taking into account the time used by Eddowes in getting to Mitre Square, it brings his testimony to the fore.
Harvey's beat was as follows.. His route took him from Bevis Marks to Duke Street, into Little Duke Street, to Houndsditch; thence from Houndsditch back to Duke Street, along Duke Street to Church Passage, from which he walked its length, as far as, but not entering Mitre Square. Then back again into Duke Street to Aldgate, from there to Mitre Street, back again to Houndsditch, on to Little Duke Street, again back to Houndsditch, on to Goring Street, up Goring Street and returning to Bevis Marks.
Estimated 30 mins.
Right.
It means that as he had arrived at Church Passage around 1.40pm, and saw nothing, and heard nothing,
He'd likely have done exactly the same at 1.10pm as well.. 30 minutes earlier. Now because he went from there (Church Passage) on his beat to Aldgate, and from there into Mitre Street on to Houndsditch.. Between 1.10pm and 1.25pm, he obviously did not have see Eddowes on his route, like Watkins, on his.
Which means.. That at the specific time that Eddowes would have been walking towards Mitre Square either towards, the southern end of it via, Mitre Street, or from the opposite end via Church Passage Duke Street and Aldgate, according to the PC's themselves.. She simply wasn't there at that time. Why?
Because both PC's saw no one whilst on their beats.
And the third entrance to the Square, via The Orange Market (St. James Place) was manned by a Met Police Fireman, who did not see Eddowes either.
So the obvious answer is that when Eddowes entered Mitre Square, she had obviously come from a direction not covered by the policemen, Watkins and Harvey, and that the timing of said arrival in Mitre Square just happened to coincide with no policeman being anywhere near there.. I. E. After 1.15am.
That is... IF... IF.. Ye Olde PC's weren't having a tea break somewhere during that time. Now.. That's where dear old Morris, the nightwatchman comes in. He stated he normally heard the boots of a policeman enter the square.. But not that night.. Nope. He heard nothing, all night, we, are told. So he didn't hear Watkins, all night, every 30 mins, when he normally did.. Didn't hear Harvey walking down Church passage every 30 mins, and didn't hear Eddowes in men's boots enter the square, nor any other person, for that matter.
Makes you wonder if there was a sudden time warp of deafness that affected Morris, where Morris doesn't hear one policeman, Watkins, at least 8...EIGHT times that night.. And another, Harvey at least 9.. NINE times that night. When he "normally hears the policeman's footsteps".
And all of the above, happened in those 40 minutes.
Phil
Ultimately, of course, as has been pointed out, we will in all probability never know the answer to this conundrum. However, I respectfully disagree as to there being little point in knowing about the missing last 45 minutes of Eddowes life. It may indeed be extremely important.
Disregarding the "alleged" sighting of Eddowes by Lawende, the last person to 100% positively identify her, was a policeman...the policeman who let her out of custody at 1pm. The next person to see her, at 1.45pm, was also a policeman. Difference being of course, one saw her alive, one saw her dead. In between, normally a roughly 7 minute walked journey took possibly a good 40 minutes. In consequence of rain, wearing men's boots.
Now, apart from the obvious fact that had she carried on walking, from the police station, directly towards Mitre Square, it would have taken far less time than it did, we are left with only plausible, not even probable. However.
My point comes back to what we know for certain. And PC Watkins own testimony about the whole evening on his beat, is of crucial importance to those 40 minutes.
Because... Even if Eddowes walked directly to Mitre Square in 7 minutes.. Watkins, would likely have seen her at 1.15pm when he would apparently be previously in Mitre Square. So clearly, if he didn't see her at 1.15pm, and upon exiting the square saw no person in Mire Street (remember, his own testimony states he saw "no-one all evening", she simply wasn't there at that time, not approaching the square from Mitre Street at that time.
Which now brings PC No. 2 into the picture. P C Harvey approached Mitre Square via Church passage. His, was a beat which approaches Mitre Square from the opposite direction to Watkins, on another 30 minute beat. But...taking into account the time used by Eddowes in getting to Mitre Square, it brings his testimony to the fore.
Harvey's beat was as follows.. His route took him from Bevis Marks to Duke Street, into Little Duke Street, to Houndsditch; thence from Houndsditch back to Duke Street, along Duke Street to Church Passage, from which he walked its length, as far as, but not entering Mitre Square. Then back again into Duke Street to Aldgate, from there to Mitre Street, back again to Houndsditch, on to Little Duke Street, again back to Houndsditch, on to Goring Street, up Goring Street and returning to Bevis Marks.
Estimated 30 mins.
Right.
It means that as he had arrived at Church Passage around 1.40pm, and saw nothing, and heard nothing,
He'd likely have done exactly the same at 1.10pm as well.. 30 minutes earlier. Now because he went from there (Church Passage) on his beat to Aldgate, and from there into Mitre Street on to Houndsditch.. Between 1.10pm and 1.25pm, he obviously did not have see Eddowes on his route, like Watkins, on his.
Which means.. That at the specific time that Eddowes would have been walking towards Mitre Square either towards, the southern end of it via, Mitre Street, or from the opposite end via Church Passage Duke Street and Aldgate, according to the PC's themselves.. She simply wasn't there at that time. Why?
Because both PC's saw no one whilst on their beats.
And the third entrance to the Square, via The Orange Market (St. James Place) was manned by a Met Police Fireman, who did not see Eddowes either.
So the obvious answer is that when Eddowes entered Mitre Square, she had obviously come from a direction not covered by the policemen, Watkins and Harvey, and that the timing of said arrival in Mitre Square just happened to coincide with no policeman being anywhere near there.. I. E. After 1.15am.
That is... IF... IF.. Ye Olde PC's weren't having a tea break somewhere during that time. Now.. That's where dear old Morris, the nightwatchman comes in. He stated he normally heard the boots of a policeman enter the square.. But not that night.. Nope. He heard nothing, all night, we, are told. So he didn't hear Watkins, all night, every 30 mins, when he normally did.. Didn't hear Harvey walking down Church passage every 30 mins, and didn't hear Eddowes in men's boots enter the square, nor any other person, for that matter.
Makes you wonder if there was a sudden time warp of deafness that affected Morris, where Morris doesn't hear one policeman, Watkins, at least 8...EIGHT times that night.. And another, Harvey at least 9.. NINE times that night. When he "normally hears the policeman's footsteps".
And all of the above, happened in those 40 minutes.
Phil
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