Eddowes in Kent

[Sam Flynn]

"While in Maidstone Kelly purchased a pair of boots from Mr Arthur Pash, of High-street, and the murdered woman bought a jacket at Mr Edmett's pawnbroker's shop near by."

Thanks for that Simon - I'd often wondered what the origin of the Pash/Edmett story was. I first read about it in Sugden, but - as far as I recall - no source is given in my copy.

[Cap'n Jack]

Simon, as you may know or not, I have found fairly compulsive fact to show that when Eddowes hopped she did it on land owned by the Cutbush clan.
Of Maidstone.
A sultry kipper in sun's rosy evening glow
a sultry copper's nephew in death row
the hop crop ripped and torn
so a mad bastard born.

There was no hop crop in 1888.
But plenty of it 'bout 'ere.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Cap'n Jack,

Spill the beans or ye'll be walking the plank, me hearty.

Regards,

Simon

[Jeff Leahy]

Simon, as you may know or not, I have found fairly compulsive fact to show that when Eddowes hopped she did it on land owned by the Cutbush clan.
Of Maidstone.
A sultry kipper in sun's rosy evening glow
a sultry copper's nephew in death row
the hop crop ripped and torn
so a mad bastard born.

There was no hop crop in 1888.
But plenty of it 'bout 'ere.

Thomas Cutbush...wasn't he related to a Policeman?

Hunton Court, had high ranking political owners...right to the top.

I should be able to provide information on the families who owned the land.

However we must assume that the land was leased out to small farmers..which may make things more complicated.

Are there any specific questions you would like me to ask AP?

Pirate 2

[Cap'n Jack]

Yeah, what colour is your wig?

[Jeff Leahy]

Same as Prince Ruperts

[Jeff Leahy]

RE: Cutbush/ Maidstone

PS. I have just read through your Cutbush relative thread but can gather no connection to Maidstone or Hunton?

I am also in contact with a 'Giles' at Maidstone museum who is currently placing kents crime records on computer data base..

I was hoping he'd turn up something on Ostrog but nothing yet..is it worth checking Cutbush? Im currently looking for Kent JtR connections?

Jeff

[Simon Wood]

Hi Jeff,

Ostrog was in a French prison throughout the Whitechapel Murders, so you can cross him off your Christmas list.

Regards,

Simon

[Jeff Leahy]

Good morning Simon.

My christmas card list has long since been reduced to two. However Ostrog was a colourful character and spent much time in kent. I was hoping 'Giles' data base might turn something up..but it only goes back as far as 1882 at present.

I'm particularly interested in any kent connections that might be linked in a small feature. Not just suspects but also victims and policeman connected to the case. And I'm also interesting in interveiwing kent based Ripperologists?

Anyway I'm back on my mission in Hunton, drafting an email out-lining what is known about "Kate in Kent". I just cant help thinking that she was well known in the area, she was quite a character, and that possibly some discussion about her murder might have taken place.

I'm hoping to at least answer the question about what was being produced in Hunton that summer for people to survive.

Many thanks for everyones help and information

Jeff

[Simon Wood]

Hi Jeff,

Here's something to conjure with.

Routledge Dictionary of Historical Slang, Eric Partridge and Jacqueline Simpson [1973]—



"HOPPING WIFE" brings you back to the above reference.

Quite a coincidence.

Regards,

Simon

[Cap'n Jack]

Simon, there are many connective tissues at work here, there was even a Thomas Cutbush, 'hop porter' of Newington; and the Cutbush family certainly had land and properties in Kent connected to the hop trade; as well of course as running the local Maidstone press; and being entirely responsible for the peace of justice in the locale.
When Eddowes came back from Kent claiming to know the identity of the Whitechapel Murderer, I have always thought she picked the wrong hop down there, and paid her price.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Cap'n Jack,

Frederick Walker Cutbush and Horatio Richard Cutbush, printers and proprietors of the "South Eastern Gazette", 54 Week Street, Maidstone. Also, Mrs Mary Cutbush, 25 King Street, Maidstone.

Am I following your oh-so cryptic clues correctly?

Regards,

Simon

[Jeff Leahy]

Good evening Gentlemen

Well I have sent my Hunton Historian expert all the information i could muster. I do just hope that he is not put off by the Jack the Ripper conection, it can seem a little daunting to some. (we apparently have a reputation as Clingons?) it swill probable take a while to sift through my email.

I have out lined most of Simons posts and some of Sam's. I dropped a PS on Cutbush, but I need more solid informatoion A.P. if you feel there is a genuine Cutbush conection to the Hunton area, that warrents further research.

I have also given him a link to this thread, so you are all to be on your best behaviour (and no bee jokes).

I'm not certain what might turn up but its certainly interesting having an expert on the area considering the information with a fresh mind.

Its just a question of waiting now.

Jeff

PS Simon..I have dropped enough hints...Is there any chance of an interview on 'JtR kent" ???? you did set the mission.

[Debra A]

I don't know how reliable the information is as it's from 1909, but Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine had Kate hop picking in the Ashford area of Kent.
Ashford was the birthplace of Superintendent Charles Henry Cutbush, and a few other members of the family, I haven't looked at their connections to hop fields though.

[Jeff Leahy]

I don't know how reliable the information is as it's from 1909, but Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine had Kate hop picking in the Ashford area of Kent.
Ashford was the birthplace of Superintendent Charles Henry Cutbush, and a few other members of the family, I haven't looked at their connections to hop fields though.

Ashford has a Ripper connection! Thanks for that Debra.

That would have been a long walk for John and Kate however..

I guess they were gone six weeks..

I still think the answer lays closer to Maidstone

Many thanks

Pirate