Kates Cuts

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor,

I don't see it likely that Catherine Eddowes fell to the ground with both her palms facing upwards. Yet, that's how she was found.

That would depend on the killer. if he cut her throat from behind while standing, and then let the body fall to the ground in such a way that he could then carry out the muitlatiions that would be an explantion, but let not create another mystery when there is not one to be created.

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[Fisherman]

As noted, there are credible reasons to drop some victims from the C5 and/or add others to the list, but the C5 theory is more credible than either your theory or Fisherman's theory.

And precisely WHY is it not credible that the series were by the same man? How likely is it that both killers just happened to do the same things? Cut away the abdominal walls in sections, for example?

I can assure you that although no police force likes to be pointed out for having locked itself to a specific theory, ANY police force would work from the assumption of a common originator with that kind of evidence - regardless if some people on an obscure website thought it rash for whatever reason.

[DJA]

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[Abby Normal]

Hi Trevor,

I don't see it likely that Catherine Eddowes fell to the ground with both her palms facing upwards.

the voice of reason speaks. listen trevor, or are your ears filled with beef steak?

[Abby Normal]

Covering of a victim, such as with a blanket, is more common when the killer knows the victim well. Obviously it's not done every time there is that personal knowledge, and not every time it is done does it mean there is a relationship, but it is more commonly associated with that being the case.

- Jeff

bingo. classic stranger murder.

[jerryd]

There is no evidence that the bodies were posed.

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Hi Trevor,

I don't see it likely that Catherine Eddowes fell to the ground with both her palms facing upwards. Yet, that's how she was found.

[JeffHamm]

I don't know if they were overtly posed-but the killer left them in such a way for max shock value, so to me kind of a moot point anyway.
many serial killers will make some attempt to cover up or hide, maybe drag the body a few feet behind something, or even cover them up with something. None of this done with the ripper victims. Kelly had some weird things done-like the breasts, other parts placed beneath her head-so something is going on-and with victims killed in there own room many times the killer will at least cover them up with a blanket.

so IMHO I tink there is de facto "posing" going on.

Covering of a victim, such as with a blanket, is more common when the killer knows the victim well. Obviously it's not done every time there is that personal knowledge, and not every time it is done does it mean there is a relationship, but it is more commonly associated with that being the case.

- Jeff

[JeffHamm]

There is no evidence that the bodies were posed.

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Well, there is, it's just not very strong evidence, and the position of the bodies could simply reflect the process of mutilating them. It's too open to explanations in both directions to make conclusive statements either way.

- Jeff

[Abby Normal]

Basically any position the body is found in could be a pose meaning that it had some significance to the killer of which we have no way of knowing.

c.d.

bingo CD good point.

[Abby Normal]

I don't know if they were overtly posed-but the killer left them in such a way for max shock value, so to me kind of a moot point anyway.
many serial killers will make some attempt to cover up or hide, maybe drag the body a few feet behind something, or even cover them up with something. None of this done with the ripper victims. Kelly had some weird things done-like the breasts, other parts placed beneath her head-so something is going on-and with victims killed in there own room many times the killer will at least cover them up with a blanket.

so IMHO I tink there is de facto "posing" going on.

[c.d.]

Basically any position the body is found in could be a pose meaning that it had some significance to the killer of which we have no way of knowing.

c.d.

[Sam Flynn]

Fair enough Sam, but the arm being placed back over the body may be the additional evidence that suggests some readjusting of the emptied woman.

Indeed, but it's not much of a "pose", is it? If he'd intended to pose the body to send some sort of message or for added shock value, he could have sat the corpse on a chair directly facing the door.

[Trevor Marriott]

I would agree with 4 of the Five Trevor, but I think a pretty good case can be made for Mary Kelly. He placed a hand over her empty midsection after he had emptied it. It doesn't appear to be a move based on a convenience. When you have her head aligned to face the rooms entrance, that's suggestive as well.

Well that might point to a separate killer !

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[Michael W Richards]

Assuming it didn't just flop over of its own accord. Given the extent of her throat wounds, there wasn't much muscle holding the head to the rest of her body.

Fair enough Sam, but the arm being placed back over the body may be the additional evidence that suggests some readjusting of the emptied woman.

[Sam Flynn]

When you have [Kelly's] head aligned to face the rooms entrance, that's suggestive as well.

Assuming it didn't just flop over of its own accord. Given the extent of her throat wounds, there wasn't much muscle holding the head to the rest of her body.