John's Echo Interview

[Cogidubnus]

Booze

Typically a pint of beer at today's strength is between two and two and a half British alcohol "units"...four pints = 8 to 10 units...Victorian beer though was what strength?

As far as gin is concerned, at 40% alcohol by volume, a modern half-bottle (35 cl), is, I'd guess, roughly the equivalent of Lynns 3 to 4 large glasses of gin...this equates to no less than fourteen British alcohol "units"...

Whilst dissipation rates do differ (being typically more rapid for large-built men than small-built women) the average rate for full absorption/dissipation is 1 hour per unit following the last drink...

This implies that Eddowes, whether hardened or not to alcohol, was still at least 9 units pissed when she was released from custody...to put this in proportion this is probably between four and five times the current UK driving limits...

Let's be fair though...this is pure conjecture based on Lynn's estimate...

I'm wondering whether the "test" for alcohol at this time might have comprised no more than sniffing the stomach contents - in which case the fairly subtle smell of Gin might well have been masked by the stomach's naturally sour HCl content (as opposed to more malt-based liquors which would tend to be more distinguishable)? Again I'm doing no more than guessing....

All the best

Dave

[Phil Carter]

Hello Lynn, Simon,

Re alcohol in the system.
I was under the impression, perhaps wrongly, that consumption of too much alcohol causep dehydration?

Best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil,

Oh bugger! Now it's 188.

This is beginning to sound like a really cheapo serial killer movie.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

It has something to do with a probable living relation to one being talked about at the upcoming conference by one of the speakers.


Best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Phil,

Oh bugger! Now it's 188.

This is beginning to resemble a really cheapo serial killer movie.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hi Robert,

Thank you. I didn't know that.

It also happens to be the number of the bus I used to catch for school.

I hope Phil doesn't leave us in suspense for too long.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

murder on the bus? Haha

best wishes

Phil

Nothing to do with either btw

[Simon Wood]

Hi Robert,

Thank you. I didn't know that.

It also happens to be the number of the bus I used to catch for school.

I hope Phil doesn't leave us in suspense for too long.

Regards,

Simon

[robert newell]

Hi Phil,

OK, I'll bite.

What's the significance of 187?

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon.. It's not me you asked..but 187 is a police code...for murder. I think.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Don't worry. I'm out there with you on the same limb.

But why should alcohol have been overlooked?

Surely alcohol should have been one of the clinchers in identifying the woman arrested in Aldgate as the woman found dead in Mitre Square.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

overlooked

Hello Simon. Thanks. I am suggesting that alcohol was overlooked.

(Could be way out here.)

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Mr. William Sedgwick Saunders, medical officer of health for the City, said at the inquest: "I received the stomach of the deceased from Dr. Gordon Brown, carefully sealed, and I made an analysis of the contents, which had not been interfered with in any way. I looked more particularly for poisons of the narcotic class, but with negative results, there being not the faintest trace of any of those or any other poisons."

I believe alcohol is classed as a narcotic poison.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

tummy

Hello Simon. Thanks.

Sorry to be unclear. I mean Liz had her stomach examined for alcohol. Not sure whether Kate's was.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

How much?

Hello Greg. Thanks. Which brings up the question, how many drinks WOULD it take? I am guessing 3-4 large glasses of gin.

What do you think?

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Sorry to be dim.

You doubt they checked "what" post mortem as with Liz?

Regards,

Simon

[GregBaron]

A headache remaining...

Five hours passed between drunk and murdered gentlemen. I don't have the science in front of me but alcohol is processed through the body rather quickly.

She was also a very small woman who probably didn't require a gallon of gin to get loopy....

At 1 a.m. I would expect her to be hung over and feeling awful but no longer drunk. Again, I'm no expert but rumor has it that I've had a few over-served occasions in my own time...

I also wouldn't expect a whiff of alcohol to be necessarily worth mentioning under the circumstances....

Greg

[lynn cates]

no checking

Hello Simon. Thanks.

Indeed. But they were making an identity between the two. I doubt they checked post mortem as with Liz.

Cheers.
LC