The Apron

[Phil Carter]

Hi All,

We can argue amongst ourselves 'til we're blue in the face, but, let's fess up, the conflicting police reports and inquest evidence ain't worth a dime in trying to construct a lucid narrative of events.

Throw in the fact that half a dozen grown policemen in Goulston Street—one of them heavily-armed with a sponge—couldn't agree on the details of the GSG and you have to conclude that the cops were either terminally stupid or wilfully misleading.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

"heavily armed with a sponge"... brilliant.

"terminally stupid or wilfully misleading"... not exactly a police apologists view eh? hahaha.


kindly

Phil

[ChrisGeorge]

. . . Throw in the fact that half a dozen grown policemen in Goulston Street—one of them heavily-armed with a sponge—couldn't agree on the details of the GSG and you have to conclude that the cops were either terminally stupid or wilfully misleading.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

"heavily armed with a sponge"... brilliant.

That would be Sponge Chuck Warren.

"terminally stupid or wilfully misleading"... not exactly a police apologists view eh? hahaha.

They probably can't depend on Simon to buy tickets for the upcoming Policeman's Ball.

Chris

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi FM

Hi Phil,

Clearly it's not worthless, but where there's a contradiction I'll go with the horse's mouth. Say Monty compiled a report on the views of members of this board, and one of his statements contradicts one of your quotes on this board - of course I'd go with your quote as being a reflection of your views - straight from the horse's mouth.

I'm not terribly interested in where it is recorded: report, inquest testimony or otherwise. What matters is who said it.



It goes without saying that in the event you can show Halse was lying, a whole new complexion takes root.



And then it would have to be considered whether or not Halse's stop and search is pertinent to the crux of the report. Some details have to be left out, otherwise you will have a report as long as your arm. By leaving out the stop and search, does this in any way colour or cloud the objective of the official report?

Yes it does because in a murder investigation everything should be recorded. Halse said he stopped and searched two persons and let them go. Whether he recorded their details we do not know and why he stopped them again we do not know.

But he thought them worthy of checking. Notice no mention by Halse of stopping and checking anyone else en route or on his way back.

How was Halse to know that later that mroning or in two days time they might become relavant to the investigation. So it would have been importamt to record their details.

And are we to belive that these two persons were the only two persons he came across on his journey there and back. Another thing that concerns me regarding Hlase is that if he went charging off in search of the killer and was searching doorways etc. He couldnt have done a very thorough job as it seems he made his way directly to Middlesex St and Wentworth St and why did he go that far ?



But, then Smith's comments would support Hasle's time of finding the apron.

The one inconsistency seems to be: "saw the PC looking at the apron" v "was pointed to where the apron was found".

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Tickets for the Policeman's Ball?

Is it a dance or a raffle?

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hi All,

Tickets for the Policeman's Ball?

Is it a dance or a raffle?

Regards,

Simon

Hello Chris, Simon,

Ssshhhh..its the SECRET policeman's other ball ;-)

kindly

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi All,

Tickets for the Policeman's Ball?

Is it a dance or a raffle?

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon
More like a lottery and during the interval they will play a game of "truth or dare to lie"

[Simon Wood]

Hi Phil,

A police apologist would argue that the cops forgot, misremembered, conflated or were completely overwhelmed by such shocking events.

And the apologists might have a case with Eddowes, seeing that Commissioner Warren, Superintendent Arnold, Chief Inspector Swanson and PC Long were so concerned about bringing the killer to justice that they didn't write their "Night of the Bloody Apron" reports until 6th November, five-and-a-half-weeks after the event and, coincidentally, just in time to avoid possibly embarrassing questions in the just-reconvened session of the House of Commons.

Funny how some things in life just seem to jive.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hello Simon,

Of course a police apologist would think of that jiving as coincidence..not ducking and diving..eh?

Remember remember the 6th of November.. nicely in time for a certain person's departure from office on the 8th.

Wonder if Warren ever realised what merry dance was being tapped out below him? Jitterbug perhaps?

All on the 6th eh? Now collusion wouldn't be thought of by these honourable men would it..all getting together on the same day to sign some papers.. heaven forbid! Ye gads!

kindly

Phil

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Curious,

Its mentioned in my post.

On his way out of Mitre Square, at the junction of Middlesex St and Wentworth St, Halse stopped two people and searched them.

Happy with their story he let them on their way and he proceded to Goulston St. Due to his movements, one assumes he entered Goulston St from the north.

If Halse had taken the apron piece why waste time stop/searching? Why not move straight to the dwellings?

Its a case of questioning for questionings sake. It brings nothing but unfounded conjecture and spreads myth.

This from a man who states we have a responsibility to present the truth.

Monty

And you know as well as i do that policemen are at times less then liberal with the truth. He may well have been seen by these two persons so to justify his actions he stops and speaks to them thus avoiding them at some time in the future coming foward and saying they saw a man in Middlesx St.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

If anyone believes that Warren got the bum's rush for writing an anodyne article in Murrays Magazine, they should desperately seek a reality check.

Regards,

Simon

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Simon,

Of course a police apologist would think of that jiving as coincidence..not ducking and diving..eh?

Remember remember the 6th of November.. nicely in time for a certain person's departure from office on the 8th.

Wonder if Warren ever realised what merry dance was being tapped out below him? Jitterbug perhaps?

All on the 6th eh? Now collusion wouldn't be thought of by these honourable men would it..all getting together on the same day to sign some papers.. heaven forbid! Ye gads!

kindly

Phil

I can confirm as can Stewart and Monty that when a number of policemen are involved in the same incident to ensure they are all singing from the same songsheet, when it comes to writing up their reports they will sit down togther to ensure they all corroborate each other. ! ! !

Need I say anything more

[Monty]

Oh dear,

Larry, Curly and Mo, The 3 conspirateers are having a ball tonight.

Sign off dates Larry, I mean Simon.

And Mo, I told you, Halse wasn't searching doorways. He was clear when he said of his pass down Goulston Street that had the apron been there he wouldn't have seen it, indicating he was not searching doorways.

I explained to you why Halse travelled that far. You sure you were a Detective? You didn't just dream it or got confused with a Doorman job?

Its a good job no one takes you 3 seriously.

Monty

[Monty]

I can confirm as can Stewart and Monty that when a number of policemen are involved in the same incident to ensure they are all singing from the same songsheet, when it comes to writing up their reports they will sit down togther to ensure they all corroborate each other. ! ! !

Need I say anything more

Which begs the question why the diddly didn't Halse and Long do that?

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Which begs the question why the diddly didn't Halse and Long do that?

Monty

Well it shows you cant rely on the police evidence when they sat down together and still got it all wrong.

[Monty]

Well it shows you cant rely on the police evidence when they sat down together and still got it all wrong.

Ha ha, that made me laugh Trevor.

You saying you Policemen aint the brightest?

Monty