How drunk was eddowes?

[Robert]

I'm racking my brains to try and remember any man who admitted seeing any victim in a social setting before she died. I can only come up with Best and Gardiner (excluding Sadler).

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Robert. I believe that was Neil's reference.

Cheers.
LC

[Barnaby]

This site gives you a good idea of behavioral symptoms associated with different blood-alcohol concentrations. I would estimate that Eddowes was somewhere between a 0.15-0.20% when she was arrested.


http://partysmart.osu.edu/blood_alcohol.asp

Given that alcohol metabolism follows zero-order kinetics and is metabolized at a constant rate of 0.015% per hour, Eddowes would still have been mildly to moderately intoxicated upon her release four hours later. That is, she would fail a breathalizer test (> 0.08%) using today's standards. Having said that, if she was a heavy drinker, she probably would not be exhibiting obvious impairments at this blood-alcohol level due to behavioral tolerance. While she still would have been impaired, she would appear sober enough to be released in my opinion.

[David Harney]

The exact situation regarding Catherine`s behaviour prior to arrest would only be clear if it were witnessed first hand. As an example, she may have laid on the pavement claiming she wanted to sleep & became aggressive towards to the police as she was being helped to her feet, which precipitated her arrest. As we know, when in drink a persons behaviour can fluctuate rapidly, even when still reasonably capable. We also have to consider that Catherine would have been more than aware of the fact that she would have been in trouble for staying out all night, & also aware that she required some money in order to `prove` that she had indeed been to see her sister. If this was the case, then her situation would have gone along way towards her regaining a sober appearance.

[YankeeSergeant]

The other

Hello Neil. And so the "other" never came forward for fear of implication?

Cheers.
LC

Lynn, That is plausible. How many of the Whitechapel or Spitalfields indigents would advance co-operation with the police ? It, to my mind, seems that co-operation when you might be asked to explain your reasons for being there would not be high on people's lists of things to do even today. Kindest regards,

[YankeeSergeant]

Socia; setting

I'm racking my brains to try and remember any man who admitted seeing any victim in a social setting before she died. I can only come up with Best and Gardiner (excluding Sadler).

I went back through my posts on this trying to clear the confucion. My post mentioned Lawende's testimony that she was seen with a man he took to be a sailor shortly before the constable found her.

[Robert]

But no man admitted to socialising with a victim. Two much danger from
1. The police and the vigilantees.
2. The Ripper.
3. The wife.

[lynn cates]

daughter

Hello David. Welcome to the boards.

"Catherine would have been more than aware of the fact that she would have been in trouble for staying out all night, & also aware that she required some money in order to `prove` that she had indeed been to see her sister."

I don't put a good deal of confidence in John's story about going to her daughter for money. Recall that she had moved some time before and claimed to have done so to avoid her requests for money.

Also, John's story was that he waited so long to seek Kate because he heard she had been jailed. But in another tale it involved being with her daughter.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

plausible

Hello Neil.

"Lynn, That is plausible. How many of the Whitechapel or Spitalfields indigents would advance co-operation with the police?"

Thanks. Of course, I doubt that one of the indigents had stood her treat. If gin were 4d per glass, and 2-4 glasses required to get one snoggered, that looks like a tad more that poor folk can afford.

Cheers.
LC

[YankeeSergeant]

snoggered

Hello Neil.

"Lynn, That is plausible. How many of the Whitechapel or Spitalfields indigents would advance co-operation with the police?"

Thanks. Of course, I doubt that one of the indigents had stood her treat. If gin were 4d per glass, and 2-4 glasses required to get one snoggered, that looks like a tad more that poor folk can afford.

Cheers.
LC

Indeed. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the upper classes go"slumming" in the East end?

[lynn cates]

timing

Hello Neil. That is correct. But I presume they would be more likely on the prowl in the evening rather than the afternoon?

Cheers.
LC

[YankeeSergeant]

Me too

Hello Neil. That is correct. But I presume they would be more likely on the prowl in the evening rather than the afternoon?

Cheers.
LC

I would agree with that. In between 2:00pm and 8:00pm, her movemnets are unknown so we don't know if she actually got money from her daughter but that scenario is unlikely as her daughter had moved. We know she was in ill health so while I agree that one of the indigents was not likely to treat her I still have to ask with Bright's disease would it take three or four glasses of gin to get Eddowes tiddly?Is it possible she had been treated by a sailor flush with pay? we may never know but given that fatigue is one of the symptoms of Bright's disease could it be that no-one treated her and she got blotto onher own and on less than presuemed? I am onthe chapter in my novel concerning Eddowes so I'm eager for any input to clarify.