How drunk was eddowes?

[Chava]

Ruby, to be honest, I don't care why they drank. But they did drink. And he may well have gone hunting in the pubs and gin palaces. He'd notice the ones who were just that little bit too far gone to take precautions, and those he could follow for a while without notice. If he's lucky, they lead him into fairly quiet surroundings. I don't think he only hunted in pubs. Eddowes doesn't seem to have hit a pub after leaving the lock-up. Chapman was who-knows-where for quite a while before picking him up in almost-daylight in Hanbury Street, which was not a quiet backwater. But if he notices they are drunk, then he goes for them. They will not be able to put up much if any fight.

[The Grave Maurice]

Remember that, at the time, you couldn't always trust the water or the milk. Many people got some of their liquid requirements from beer, which was safe and of relatively low alcoholic content, so there would be quite a few of them walking about much of the time with a slight buzz. Even workmen would stop off for a pint on their way to work (try doing that today). It was the gin that did you in.

[curious4]

Kate drunk?

I grew up in Kent and don´t remember hoppers being plied with cider. It`s hard work and someone three sheets to the wind (or however many sheets) wouldn´t be much good as they were paid according to the amount they picked. Perhaps in other counties? Also there wouldn´t have been much to celebrate as 1888 was a particularly bad year for hops.

I strongly suspect (no proof of course) that Kate wasn´t as drunk as she seemed but was smart enough to give herself a safe place to wait before keeping an appointment with JTR. Pubs were closed when she got out, so she couldn´t have bought any alcohol then. She is quoted as saying that she knew who JTR was and was after the reward - obviously she got it very wrong.

[Rubyretro]

[QUOTE]

I grew up in Kent and don´t remember hoppers being plied with cider. It`s hard work and someone three sheets to the wind (or however many sheets) wouldn´t be much good as they were paid according to the amount they picked.

I wouldn't know about Hops, but I used to grape pick regularly in France.
It is very very hard work yet the free flowing wine was one of the 'perks'
(it's certainly not the case today). I would say that exprienced workers could both tuck it away AND pick faster than the others..

[curious4]

How drunk was Eddowes

Hello again Ruby,

Hop-picking is a little different from grape-picking - hop "flowers" have to be picked one by one and you need fairly nimble fingers and well as tough hands. Not something to be done hungover or drunk. The best beer is (and was) brewed in Kent (in my opinion, I hasten to add), so I would imagine if they were given anything it would be beer.

[YankeeSergeant]

Drunk and disorderly

While I agree Kate Eddowes was still drunk when released the question is how drunk? She is sober enough to remark that she would, and I quote, "Get a damn fine hiding when I get home" With the pubs closed and no way of knowing if Kelly got money for lodging would she seek out a customer? We also don't know if she and Kelly paid for a bed prior to parting company. If we believe Lawende's testimony, she was with a man he took to be a sailor ten minutes prior to being found dead in Mitre Square. Given the time, I would think she was functional at the moemnt of her death but again, being plagued with uremia (Bright's Disease) the alcohol may have hit her harder than it would have if she were healthy. How much gin could she get for under a shilling? I know back in the time of Hogwarth the adage was "Drunk for a penny dead drunk for two." Did the same apply in 1888?

[Robert]

I don't think she was incapable, or the police wouldn't have released her. Of course, her reactions wouldn't have been the same as they would have been if she wasn't hungover.

I don't think she had an appointment with JTR. He wasn't a VIP with an apppointment book, going around telling his victims "I can fit you in at 1.30 AM."

[tji]

I don't think she had an appointment with JTR. He wasn't a VIP with an apppointment book, going around telling his victims "I can fit you in at 1.30 AM."[/QUOTE]

Haha - maybe that explains the killing of Stride and eddowes - he double booked!!

Tj

[Robert]

Yes, there was a lull in October because he spent all that month finding a secretary to organize his life.

[YankeeSergeant]

Drunk

Yes, there was a lull in October because he spent all that month finding a secretary to organize his life.

Good help was hard to find back then too. seriously, I rather doubt either of them had an appointment. More like she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The hangover would certainly dull her response time and would likely dull her intuition as well.

[lynn cates]

treat

Hello Robert, Neil. Given the veracity of John Kelly who claimed Kate was broke, I presume that her state of inebriation was directly proportional to the purse of whoever was standing her treat.

Has anyone ever figured out who, precisely, was buying her drinks?

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Lynn,

I think the liaision bewteen Coles and Sadler gives us an insight into part of Eddowes evening of the 29th.

We could also look at Stride in the Bricklayers Arms.

Monty

[lynn cates]

come forward

Hello Neil. And so the "other" never came forward for fear of implication?

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Or others Lynn,

If you look at the last confrimed time Eddowes was seen I suspect she had enough time to get treated by many.

Sadler was Prime suspect with regards Coles (rightly so in somes view). I think the case would have been the same with Eddowes had someone come forward.

We have the crowd around the shop front of No 29 Aldgate High Street. When asked by PC Robinson, not one admitted to knowing her. This I find highly dubious. I think someone knew her (it got back to Kelly that she had been picked up so someone knew) and possibly it was who treated her.

Just my views you understand.

Monty

[lynn cates]

John

Hello Neil. The biggest problem I see is that this comes from John's testimony. And that is fraught with inconsistency.

But IF true (even in that part) it would cast doubt on the story that no one knew her.

Cheers.
LC