Catherines Ear!

[Nurse Sarah]

Ive started this off for Monty and Cap n Jack to discuss the particulars of her ear and when it came off etc etc

Take it away lads!

[Cap'n Jack]

Very kind, I've always wanted a night nurse.
So the body is picked up, placed on a cart, dragged through the Whitechapel streets, taken to an old shed, taken off the cart, put on a table, undressed and then the ear decides to fall off?

[Nurse Sarah]

Im not qualified for a few years ;-)

I dont know enough to comment other than what Ive read in Dr Browns report, but Im sure Monty will soon!

[Cap'n Jack]

Don't hold your breathe, night nurse.

[Nurse Sarah]

LOL, I would like to hear both sides though...

[Archaic]

"NNN's of the LVP"

Sarah, I didn't it want it to be me who made the first "Night Nurse" joke...

But I do think you're lucky that AP was such a gent & and let you off so easy- no snide references to
"Naughty Night Nurses of the LVP"

(Oops. )

Good idea to start this thread. I'm all ears.

Your pal, Archaic

[Monty]

Very kind, I've always wanted a night nurse.
So the body is picked up, placed on a cart, dragged through the Whitechapel streets, taken to an old shed, taken off the cart, put on a table, undressed and then the ear decides to fall off?

Almost AP, almost.

....and you can breathe now Sarah.

Monty

[Nurse Sarah]

(Exhales at last) Thank you Monty...

Archaic, are you giving my future professional colleagues a bad name??!!!!

[Archaic]

The Modern Nurse

Archaic, are you giving my future professional colleagues a bad name??!!!!

Heck, NO, Sarah!
Don't you know that the 'naughty night-nurses' only existed in the days of black & white sexsploitation late-night B movies?

They are all extinct now.

Modern night nurses are all the drop-dead-gorgeous-I-coulda-been-a-model, highly-educated-but-still-sassy professional type like on ER, right?

Over on the Gill thread, I posted a link to an 1885 "Tales of Yorkshire" book I think you'll like. Murders, witches, highwaymen, etc; you can download entire book.

Here, I'll make up for teasing you:

> ANNOUNCEMENT: The next member who makes a 'nurse' joke gets Bedpan Duty- 1888 Style.

There, Sarah, that oughtta do it! Cheers, Archaic

[silverstealth]

Very kind, I've always wanted a night nurse.
So the body is picked up, placed on a cart, dragged through the Whitechapel streets, taken to an old shed, taken off the cart, put on a table, undressed and then the ear decides to fall off?

Am I right in thinking this is what your reffering to Jack.

"When the body arrived at Golden Lane, some of the blood was dispersed through the removal of the body to the mortuary. The clothes were taken off carefully from the body. A piece of deceased's ear dropped from the clothing. "

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Almost AP, almost.

Monty

And is this is what your reffering to Monty?

"The lobe and auricle of the right ear were cut obliquely through."

Would it be right to presume from the Autpopsy report that the peice of ear that fell originated from the right ear, only because the left ear is not mentioned.?

[Archaic]

The Ear Apparent

Hi, Silver. The Catherine Eddowes autopsy photo (the one that shows her full-length, with her hair tacked to the wall) gives a very good view of her left ear, and from what I can tell it looks completely intact.

I wonder if the right ear was not quite 100% severed by the killer & then became detached during the handling of the corpse, OR if it had been completely severed but the killer had deliberately stuck it someplace weird, like inside her dress or maybe inserted into another wound, and then it fell out?

Regards, Archaic

[Monty]

Hi, Silver. The Catherine Eddowes autopsy photo (the one that shows her full-length, with her hair tacked to the wall) gives a very good view of her left ear, and from what I can tell it looks completely intact.

I wonder if the right ear was not quite 100% severed by the killer & then became detached during the handling of the corpse, OR if it had been completely severed but the killer had deliberately stuck it someplace weird, like inside her dress or maybe inserted into another wound, and then it fell out?

Regards, Archaic

Mark, Archaic,

If the ear was seperated at the SOC the experienced Brown would have noted it.

He doesnt, he says it was cut obiquely through, not severed completely off.

Therefore, as I mentioned, it became detached at some stage between the SOC and the mortuary.

Its fairly straightforward yet thats not enough for some.

Monty

[silverstealth]

Mark, Archaic,

If the ear was seperated at the SOC the experienced Brown would have noted it.

He doesnt, he says it was cut obiquely through, not severed completely off.

Therefore, as I mentioned, it became detached at some stage between the SOC and the mortuary.

Its fairly straightforward yet thats not enough for some.

Monty

What I was trying to say is, are you both right?

He does not mention how big the peice of ear was that fell and so could have been quite small, that small it was not noted as missing due to the cuts and residual blood from the wounds around the ear that was still loosley attached.

[Sam Flynn]

He does not mention how big the peice of ear was that fell and so could have been quite small, that small it was not noted as missing due to the cuts and residual blood from the wounds around the ear that was still loosley attached.

Despite her facial wounds being documented in minute detail, no wounds are described in the region around Eddowes' ear - there seems not to have been a concerted effort on the murderer's part to have targeted that area specifically. On the contrary, we seem to have a solitary cut that detached the lobe and, with it, a portion of the auricle of unspecified size.

Whether this wound was incidental to one or other of the more extensive facial wounds is debatable - personally, I doubt that it was. On balance, it seems more probable that the killer lopped it off separately; if he did, it was probably just a "lop", and little more. He could easily have removed the ear, indeed both ears, completely had he intended to do so.

[cats meat man]

Has anyone considered before that the killer's motive in attacking Catherine's ear was to remove and take away an earring?