Chapman Timeline

[Herlock Sholmes]

Au contraire-Mon ami - You just can't help yourself can you

If the mortuary attendant was corrupt it would have been easy for him to allow an organ thief wearing a white coat or apron to accompany him to enter the mortuary. The police officer was there to keep the press and members of the public out not those who were entitled to access the mortuary.

We know the mortuary wasn't closed for normal business as the body was stripped and washed by nurses,after being found on a ambulance outside as to how long it had been left outside we dont know but perhaps long enough for the organs to be removed

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I’ve answered this one the ‘Did the ripper remove organs?’ thread Trevor.

[Doctored Whatsit]

It might be relevant to include the statement of acting Supt West, which though vague, and totally lacking in details as to time, he thought was important enough to record. A dustman reported seeing a man, with blood on his clothing, leaving the scene, that morning. Although no time is given, it must have been relevant to the other known facts provided by Richardson and Davis, or it wouldn't have been mentioned.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It might be relevant to include the statement of acting Supt West, which though vague, and totally lacking in details as to time, he thought was important enough to record. A dustman reported seeing a man, with blood on his clothing, leaving the scene, that morning. Although no time is given, it must have been relevant to the other known facts provided by Richardson and Davis, or it wouldn't have been mentioned.

Coincidentally I was looking at that last night Doc. Like everyone, I’ve read everything at some point, but that one hadn’t stuck in my mind. It’s a pity that we don’t have more detail…or even some detail.

[Herlock Sholmes]

An example of the perils of newspaper reports and the confusion they can cause with their carelessness when it came to detail. In The Echo, 10th Sept, we get:

Mrs. Richardson, who superintends a packing-case business carried on at the back of the premises, says that, strangely enough her grandson, Charles Cooksey, was to have slept in the back room on Friday night; but he told her he did not like to, remarking, "I shan't sleep in there to-night, granny."

Front floor back, Mrs Richardson - so correct room. But her grandson was called Thomas and Cooksey was the name of two unmarried sister’s who worked in a cigar factory and lived in the second floor back room.

ps. Lloyd’s Weekly, 9th Sept:

“Meantime Mrs. Richardson, an old lady sleeping on the first floor front, was aroused by her grandson, Charles Cooksley, who looked out of one of the back windows and screamed that there was a dead body in the corner.”

[Herlock Sholmes]

Another point worth making imo is one about times (yes, I know, Herlock badgering on about times again!)

Chandler said that it was 6.10 when the men got to him in Commercial Street.
Davis got up at around 5.45, had a cup of tea, went to the yard, saw the body and rushed out and called Kent and Green.
And yet Kent said that he’d arrived at work 6.10-6.15 while Green said that he had arrived at around 6.10.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Chapman Timeline (second draft)

Entry about Richardson changed - Lewis C
PC Barnes identified - Jerry Dunlop
Detail about Annie’s pills and her argument with Cooper added - CF Leon.

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Tuesday 4th - Eliza Cooper sees Annie Chapman in the kitchen of Crossingham’s Lodging House. Annie asks for the return of a piece of soap. The quarrel continued in the Ringers pub. Annie slaps Eliza and Eliza hit her in the eye and chest.

c2.00-3.00 (Friday PM) - Timothy Donovan, deputy at Crossingham’s lodging house, 35 Dorset Street , sees Annie Chapman who asked if she could go down to the kitchen. Donovan said that she could. She tells him that she has been in the infirmary

c5.00 - Amelia Palmer of 30, Dorset Street, sees Annie Chapman in Dorset Street. Chapman complained of feeling too ill to go and sell goods in Stratford as she usually did on Fridays.

c5.15 - Palmer sees Chapman again a few minutes later at the same spot. She tells Palmer that she needs to get money for her lodgings.

c12.00 (just after midnight) - Chapman enters the lodging house and tells Evans that she has been to her sister’s in Vauxhall. She has been drinking. She sends one of the lodgers for a pint of beer.

c12.12 (Saturday AM) - William Stevens, a painter living at Crossingham’s, sees Chapman in the kitchen of the lodging house. He sees Annie pick up a piece of paper and wrapped some pills that she had previously kept in a box which came apart

c1.30-1.45 - Donovan sees Chapman go to the kitchen. John Evans, the night watchman (known as ‘Brummie’) is sent to collect the money for her bed but she doesn’t have it. She then comes up to the office and tells Donovan not to let her bed as she will be back soon with the eightpence that she needs. According to him she has been drinking. She is eating baked potatoes.

c1.50 - Evans sees her leave the building. She walks through Paternoster Street into Brushfield Street then turns toward Spitalfields Church.

c3.00 - At 29 Hanbury Street, in the first floor front room, Amelia Richardson wakes but then dozes.

c3.50 - Mrs Richardson calls out “good morning” to Mr Thompson, who occupied the front room and worked at Goodson’s in Brick Lane, second floor with his wife, before she hears him leave the house to go to work. He doesn’t go to the yard.

c4.45-4.50 - John Richardson, Porter at Leadenhall Market of 2, John Street, Spitalfields, the son of Amelia, goes to check the cellar. He sits on the back door step to do some repair work on his boot before leaving. He sees nothing in the yard.

c4.47-4.52 - Richardson leaves to go to work.

c5.00 - Mrs Elizabeth Long leaves her house at 3 Church Row, Whitechapel and heads for Spitalfields Market.

c5.15 - Albert Cadosch a 27 year old Carpenter living at number 27 Hanbury Street wakes up.

c5.20 - Cadosch goes into the yard to use the outside toilet and when he returned to the back door he heard a “no.”

c5.23-5.24 - Cadosch goes back into the yard to use the toilet. When he returns he hears something brush against the fence.

c5.30 - Mrs Long sees Annie Chapman talking to a man just a few yards from number 29 Hanbury Street.

c5.32 - Albert Cadosch passes Spitalfields Church on his way to work.

c5.45 - Carman John Davis, who worked at Leadenhall Market, is woken by the striking of Spitalfields Church clock. He has a cup of tea before going to the yard.

c6.03 - Henry John Holland, box maker, 4 Aden Yard, Mile End Road passes number 29 on his way to work in Chiswell Street but stops to talk to two men (Kent and Green)

c6.04 - Davis finds the body then leaves by the front door. He calls over two men who work at Mr. Bailey’ packing case making business (which is three doors away on the same side of the street as number 29 at 23a) and tells them about the body. They return with him. He only knows them by sight. The two men called by Davis are James Kent of 20, Drew’s Blocks, King David Lane, Shadwell and James Green of 36, Ackland Street, Burdett Road. Holland is with them.

c6.05 - Davis locates a PC John Pinnock (238H) who sends John Davis to Commercial Street Station to tell them about the murder.

c6.05 - Harriett Hardiman, a cats meat saleswoman who occupies the ground floor front room is awakened by the noise from the passage. She sends her husband to see what was going on (she thought that there might have been a fire)

c6.05- Thomas Richardson, aged 14, is sent by his grandmother Amelia to find out why there is so much noise coming from the passage. He returns to inform her of the discovery of the body.

c6.05 - Holland heads off to find a Constable at Spitalfield’s Market.

c6.06 - Mrs Richardson goes downstairs and sees the body.

c6.10 - Inspector Joseph Chandler (H Division) is on duty in Commercial Street at the corner of Hanbury Street when he sees several men running. He calls them over and is told about the murder. (Possibly Davis was with these men - maybe he continued on to inform the station as he’d been asked to do?) The inspector goes straight to number 29. He sends for Dr Phillips and to the police station for the ambulance and for assistance. From his place of work at 23a James Green sees Chandler arrive.

c6.11 - James Kent returns with a canvas to place over the body at Chandler’s request.

c6.12 - Holland gets to Spitalfield’s market half a mile away and informs a Constable that there had been a murder similar to the Bucks Row case but he refused to attend the scene (this was an officer on point duty). He told Holland to inform the two policemen outside the market but he couldn’t find them. (Holland later complained about the PC at Commercial Street Station)

c6.20 - As Holland is returning to number 29 he sees an Inspector running with a young man.

c6.20 - Dr George Baxter Phillips, 2, Spital Square, Police Divisional Surgeon, is informed about the murder.

c6.30 - Dr. Phillips arrives at the yard. He examines the body.

c6.45 - Inspector Chandler speaks to John Richardson in the passage of number 29.

c6.50 - The body is removed to the Whitechapel Union Workhouse Mortuary in Old Montague Street on Phillips orders by Sergeant Edmund Badham (31H) He stays with the body until Inspector Chandler arrives.

c6.50 - After the body was moved Chandler examines the yard.

c7.00 - The body is received at the mortuary by mortuary keeper (and Whitechapel Union Workhouse inmate) Robert Mann. He stayed with the body until Dr Phillips arrived at 2.00. The mortuary was locked the whole time until it was unlocked to admit 2 nurses (Sarah Simonds, resident nurse and a senior nurse Frances Wright, who arrived to strip the body which was still on the ambulance) The key to the mortuary was given to the police.

c7.10 - (A few minutes after 7.00 according to him) Chandler goes to the mortuary. DS Thicke examined the body too while Sergeant Badham made notes.

c7.40 - When Chandler leaves the mortuary he leaves PC Barnes (376H) on guard.

c11.30 - Amelia Palmer is taken to the mortuary to identify the body.

c2.30 - Ted Stanley arrives at Crossingham’s and enquires about Chapman after hearing that she had been killed. When this was confirmed he left.


Soon after 2.00 the post mortem is conducted by Dr Phillips at the Whitechapel Union Workhouse Mortuary.



The Inquest takes place on Monday 10th September? At The Working Lads Institute under Coroner Wynne E. Baxter. The jurors are told to be there for 10am.

The jurymen are then sworn, their names are Messrs. Dawson, Knight, Upton, Gardiner, Wall, Hunt, Statham, Mead, Hawkins, Wood, Ford, Latier, Carter, Neville, Chamberlain, Kemp, Silvan, and Birks. Mr. Thorpe was unanimously selected as foreman.

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Questions/Points


c6.20 - Who was the Inspector that Holland saw?


In his testimony Chandler said that while he was at number 29 he sent to the station for an ambulance and further assistance but….wouldn't he have already done that if he’d run into John Davis who was on his way to the station?


Mann stayed with the body until Phillips arrived at 2.00. So on this occasion it looked like Phillips didn’t examine the body at the mortuary before the PM. Phillips didn’t spend much time with the body before allowing it to be removed? It arrived at the mortuary in Old Montague Street at 7.00. Allowing 10-15 minutes to push an ambulance means the body was removed at around 6.50. Phillips arrived at Hanbury Street at 6.30. After the murder of Eddowes, Brown and Sequiera followed the body to the mortuary for an examination but Phillips appears to have waited until the PM. Maybe this was just down to the fact that he could see more in situ (in daylight) that Brown and Sequiera could in Mitre Square. Also, we know that Phillips was heavily critical of the mortuary facilities, so perhaps he had no desire to spend more time there than he absolutely needed to?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Can anyone fill the gaps on this list of residents of number 29?


Ground floor front - Mrs Hardiman and her son 16

Ground floor back - Mrs Richardson and Thomas, 14


First floor back - old man called Walker who made lawn tennis rings. He lived with his son who was 27 or 28 and was described as ‘not right.’

First floor front - ?


Second floor front - Mr Thompson (worked at Goodson’s in Brick Lane), his wife and an adopted little girl.

Second floor back - two Misses Cooksey who worked in a cigar factory


Top floor - John Davis and family and an old lady called Sarah Cox

Did the Davis family occupy the whole of the top floor?

[Doctored Whatsit]

According to her evidence, Mrs Richardson and her grandson slept in the first floor front. I think that the sole occupants of the top floor were Davis - front - and Mrs Cox - back.

I think that the Inspector at C. 6.20 must have been Chandler.

[Belloc]

Can anyone fill the gaps on this list of residents of number 29?


Ground floor front - Mrs Hardiman and her son 16

Ground floor back - Mrs Richardson and Thomas, 14


First floor back - old man called Walker who made lawn tennis rings. He lived with his son who was 27 or 28 and was described as ‘not right.’

First floor front - ?


Second floor front - Mr Thompson (worked at Goodson’s in Brick Lane), his wife and an adopted little girl.

Second floor back - two Misses Cooksey who worked in a cigar factory


Top floor - John Davis and family and an old lady called Sarah Cox

Did the Davis family occupy the whole of the top floor?

Hi H.S.

Here’s an extract from the report on the 12th September session of the inquest that appeared on page 5 of The Times, 13^th September, 1888:



According to this report, the occupants of number 29 were:

Ground floor front – Mrs. Hardyman and son

Ground floor rear – Mrs. Richardson for cooking

First floor front – Mrs. Richardson and grandson

First floor rear – Mr. Waker and son

Second floor front – Mr. Thompson, wife and adopted girl

Second floor rear – Mr. and Mrs. Copsey

Third floor front – Mr. Davis, his wife and 3 sons

Third floor rear – Sarah Cox

[Trevor Marriott]

I’ve answered this one the ‘Did the ripper remove organs?’ thread Trevor.

Just keeping you in check lol !!!!!!!!!!!

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi H.S.

Here’s an extract from the report on the 12th September session of the inquest that appeared on page 5 of The Times, 13^th September, 1888:



According to this report, the occupants of number 29 were:

Ground floor front – Mrs. Hardyman and son

Ground floor rear – Mrs. Richardson for cooking

First floor front – Mrs. Richardson and grandson

First floor rear – Mr. Waker and son

Second floor front – Mr. Thompson, wife and adopted girl

Second floor rear – Mr. and Mrs. Copsey

Third floor front – Mr. Davis, his wife and 3 sons

Third floor rear – Sarah Cox

Thanks for that Belloc. I’ll add the details on the next draft.

[Herlock Sholmes]

According to her evidence, Mrs Richardson and her grandson slept in the first floor front. I think that the sole occupants of the top floor were Davis - front - and Mrs Cox - back.

I think that the Inspector at C. 6.20 must have been Chandler.

Thanks Doc. I think that you’re likely to be right about it being Chandler. Holland had been to Smithfield which was only half a mile away.

[C. F. Leon]

Herlock, have you checked "Occupants of 29 Hanbury Street", started by Joshua Rogan dating from 2017? It's currently on page 17 in the "Scene of the Crimes". The discussion may be useful. (Unfortunately, I seem to have killed it by asking questions concerning some (minor) discrepancies/missing info that were never answered. )

BTW, when/if you get around to doing either Tabram or Nichols, several years ago I posted similar timelines for them in "Scene of the Crimes" (currently, they both are on page 17 as "Murder Sites #x"). I had set up one for Chapman, but I moved around that time and never got around to posting it. (All of my reference books and notes are in Storage and the only source material that I have readily available is the 2010 A to Z and JtR The Suspects.) I had a wider, more general, focus for mine than you do for yours, but I hope that they may be helpful.