Chapman Timeline

[Trevor Marriott]

Calling Jerry Dunlop or Neil Bell or anyone else…

Does anyone know who PC 376H was? He was left on guard at the mortuary after Chandler had left.

(meaning of course that no one could have stolen any organs)

Au contraire-Mon ami - You just can't help yourself can you

If the mortuary attendant was corrupt it would have been easy for him to allow an organ thief wearing a white coat or apron to accompany him to enter the mortuary. The police officer was there to keep the press and members of the public out not those who were entitled to access the mortuary.

We know the mortuary wasn't closed for normal business as the body was stripped and washed by nurses,after being found on a ambulance outside as to how long it had been left outside we dont know but perhaps long enough for the organs to be removed

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Herlock, may I suggest that, since they both become issues (albeit red herrings) later, that you add a mention about the fight a couple of days before the murder and a note about Chapman's pillbox breaking and her using an envelope as a replacement?

Also, at c 5:15 you mention Albert Cadosch, but don't say what he did at that point.

Strange that I missed out what Cadosch did at 5.15. I’ll have a look at mentioning the other two episodes too.

[C. F. Leon]

Herlock, may I suggest that, since they both become issues (albeit red herrings) later, that you add a mention about the fight a couple of days before the murder and a note about Chapman's pillbox breaking and her using an envelope as a replacement?

Also, at c 5:15 you mention Albert Cadosch, but don't say what he did at that point.

[C. F. Leon]

Just don’t say, Jerry,Jerry,Jerry. You might be sorry

Just as long as I don't summon Jerry Lewis or the Jerry from Rick and Morty.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Jerry, are these details correct - Sergeant Edmund Badham (31H)

And do you have a Christian name for PC Pinnock (238H) by any chance?

[jerryd]

Jerry, you’re like Beetlejuice.

Thank you

Just don’t say, Jerry,Jerry,Jerry. You might be sorry

[Herlock Sholmes]

Herlock,

PC Barnes was 376H.

Jerry, you’re like Beetlejuice.

Thank you

[jerryd]

Calling Jerry Dunlop or Neil Bell or anyone else…

Does anyone know who PC 376H was? He was left on guard at the mortuary after Chandler had left.

(meaning of course that no one could have stolen any organs)

Herlock,

PC Barnes was 376H.

[Herlock Sholmes]

For the sake of total objectivity, maybe the entry for 4:45-4:50 should read "Richardson sees nothing in the yard" or something like that, rather than "The yard is empty." I strongly believe that the reason why he saw nothing is that there was nothing to see, but that is a debated point.

Fair point Lewis. I’ll put in the change for the next draft.

[Lewis C]

For the sake of total objectivity, maybe the entry for 4:45-4:50 should read "Richardson sees nothing in the yard" or something like that, rather than "The yard is empty." I strongly believe that the reason why he saw nothing is that there was nothing to see, but that is a debated point.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Calling Jerry Dunlop or Neil Bell or anyone else…

Does anyone know who PC 376H was? He was left on guard at the mortuary after Chandler had left.

(meaning of course that no one could have stolen any organs)

[Herlock Sholmes]

First Draft - comments, suggestions, criticisms, proposed alterations welcome.



c2.00-3.00 (PM) - Timothy Donovan, deputy at Crossingham’s lodging house, 35 Dorset Street , sees Annie Chapman who asked if she could go down to the kitchen. Donovan said that she could.

c5.00 - Amelia Palmer sees Annie Chapman in Dorset Street. Chapman complained of feeling too ill to go and sell goods in Stratford as she usually did on Fridays.

c5.15 - Palmer sees Chapman again a few minutes later at the same spot. She tells Palmer that she needs to get money for her lodgings.

c12.00 (just after midnight) - Chapman enters the lodging house and tells Evans that she has been to her sister’s in Vauxhall. She has been drinking.

? - Chapman sends one of the lodgers for a pint of beer.

c12.12 - William Stevens, a painter living at Crossingham’s, sees Chapman in the kitchen of the lodging house.

c1.30-1.45 (AM) - Donovan sees Chapman go to the kitchen. John Evans, the night watchman is sent to collect the money for her bed but she doesn’t have it. She then comes up to the office and tells Donovan not to let her bed as she will be back soon with the eightpence that she needs. According to him she has been drinking.

c1.50 - Evans sees her leave the building. She walks through Paternoster Street into Brushfield Street then turns toward Spitalfields Church.

c3.00 - At 29 Hanbury Street, in the first floor front room, Amelia Richardson wakes but then dozes.

c3.50 - Mrs Richardson calls out “good morning” to Mr Thompson, who occupied the front room, second floor with his wife, before she hears him leave the house to go to work. He doesn’t go to the yard.

c4.45-4.50 - John Richardson, market porter of 2, John Street, Spitalfields, the son of Amelia, goes to check the cellar. He sits on the back door step to do some repair work on his boot before leaving. The yard is empty.

c4.47-4.52 - Richardson leaves to go to work.

c5.00 - Mrs Elizabeth Long leaves her house on (32?) (198?)Church Row (Street?), Whitechapel and heads for Spitalfields Market.

c5.15 - Albert Cadosch a 27 year old Carpenter living at number 27 Hanbury Street.

c5.20 - Cadosch goes into the yard to use the outside toilet and when he returned to the back door he heard a “no.”

c5.23-5.24 - Cadosch goes back into the yard to use the toilet. When he returns he hears something brush against the fence.

c5.30 - Mrs Long sees Annie Chapman talking to a man just a few yards from number 29 Hanbury Street.

c5.32 - Albert Cadosch passes Spitalfields Church on his way to work.

c5.45 - Carman John Davis, who worked at Leadenhall Market, is woken by the striking of Spitalfields Church clock. He has a cup of tea before going to the yard.

c6.03 - Henry John Holland, box maker, 4 Aden Yard, Mile End Road passes number 29 on his way to work in Chiswell Street but stops to talk to two men (David and Kent)

c6.03 - Davis finds the body then leaves by the front door. He calls over two men who work at Mr. Bailey’ packing case making business (which is three doors away on the same side of the street as number 29) and tells them about the body. They return with him. He only knows them by sight. The two men called by Davis are James Kent of 20, Drew’s Blocks, King David Lane, Shadwell and James Green of 36, Ackland Street, Burdett Road.

c6.05 - Harriett Hardiman, a cats meat saleswoman who occupies the ground floor front room is awakened by the noise from the passage. She sends her husband to see what was going on (she thought that there might have been a fire)

c6.05- Thomas Richardson, aged 14, is sent by his grandmother Amelia to find out why there is so much noise coming from the passage. He returns to inform her of the discovery of the body.

c6.05 - Someone? goto find a police officer. Davis goes to Commercial Street Station.

c6.06 - Mrs Richardson goes downstairs and sees the body.

c6.10 - Inspector Joseph Chandler (H Division) is on duty in Commercial Street at the corner of Hanbury Street when he sees several men running. He calls them over and is told about the murder. He goes straight to number 29. He sends for Dr Phillips and to the police station for the ambulance and for assistance.

c6.12 - Holland gets to Spitalfield’s market and informs a Constable that there had been a murder similar to the Bucks Row case but he refused to attend the scene (this was an officer on point duty). He told Holland to inform the two policemen outside the market but he couldn’t find them. (Holland later complained about the PC at Commercial Street Station)

c6.20 - As Holland is returning to number 29 he sees an Inspector running with a young man.

c6.20 - Dr George Baxter Phillips, 2, Spital Square, Police Divisional Surgeon, is informed about the murder.

c6.30 - Dr. Phillips arrives at the yard. He examines the body and orders it removed to the mortuary. It is removed by Sergeant Edmund Badham (31H) He says with the body until Inspector Chandler arrived.

c6.45 - Inspector Chandler speaks to John Richardson in the passage of number 29.

? - After the body was moved Chandler examines the yard.

c7.00 - The body is received at the mortuary by mortuary keeper (and Whitechapel Union Workhouse inmate) Robert Mann. He stayed with the body until Dr Phillips arrived at 2.00. The mortuary was locked the whole time until it was unlocked to admit 2 nurses (Sarah Simonds, resident nurse and a senior nurse Frances Wright, who arrived to strip the body which was still on the ambulance) The key to the mortuary was given to the police.

? - (A few minutes after 7.00 according to him) Chandler goes to the mortuary. DS Thicke examined the body too while Sergeant Badham made notes.

? - When Chandler left the mortuary he left PC 376H(?) on guard.

Soon after 2.00 the post mortem

c2.30 - Ted Stanley arrives at Crossingham’s and enquires about Chapman after hearing that she had been killed. When this was confirmed he leaves.