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  • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

    Oh no!, not "the lying witness" angle....
    Tell that to the Victorian police. And Violena. And quite a few others. Of course, it should not be the starting point. But once we have an article pointing in that direction, I advise against gagging.

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    • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

      He doesn't say it Christer, but it may be implied from his testimony.

      "May be implied"? That is a loooong way from an established truth, Iīm afraid.

      He had caught 'people' in the yard, and he knew 'people' came there for immoral purposes. So, it could be said he was also looking for 'people', so had he seen two 'people' having sex he would have noticed them, as it was on his mind.
      Annie was a 'people' right?, and she could have been having sex either standing or laying down, so Richardson was alert to that possibility.

      So you think he scanned the yard for sexually promiscuity...? And thatīs when he took a long, hard look in the recess...? Really, Jon!

      This is the exchange with the coroner:

      [Coroner] Have you ever seen any strangers there?
      [Richardson] Yes, plenty, at all hours - both men and women. I have often turned them out. We have had them on our first floor as well, on the landing.
      [Coroner] Do you mean to say that they go there for an immoral purpose?
      [Richardson] Yes, they do.

      So I think you are obliged to accept that Richardson was also on the lookout for any 'people' in that yard, and as a dead body still constitutes as 'people' then his attention would have been drawn to it.

      As somebody who could have used his yard for sex? Cīmon, Jon, we both know that this is ridiculous.

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      • Originally posted by Wickerman View Post

        Phillips did provide a caution in his testimony:

        "[Coroner] How long had the deceased been dead when you saw her?
        [Phillips] I should say at least two hours, and probably more; but it is right to say that it was a fairly cold morning, and that the body would be more apt to cool rapidly from its having lost the greater portion of its blood."

        Coupled with the testimony of both Richardson & Mrs Long, plus what was heard by Cadosch. It's not like 1 - 1, it's one against three, or more accurately half against three & a half.
        Phillips allowed for the very short time of two hours, but he did not believe in it as such. He would be an idiot to claim that two hours was the minimum, and then, one second later, allow for anything latter day ripperologists fancied to make their dreams come true.

        It is out of the question that Long and Cadosch saw or heard Chapman alive.

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        • Originally posted by DJA View Post
          Josh and I have referred to "Chronic Hypothermia following tuberculous meningitis" a few times.

          Google it and have a read.

          Chapman's temperature was most likely in the low 30s.
          Is that the kind of disease that makes rigor mortis occur in half an hour or so only?

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          • Originally posted by DJA View Post
            Josh and I have referred to "Chronic Hypothermia following tuberculous meningitis" a few times.

            Google it and have a read.

            Chapman's temperature was most likely in the low 30s.
            Boring though it sounded, I did look at it. I found a paper presenting 47 cases. 65 per cent of them had a fever, 15 per cent had hypothermia. The other patients had a temperature between 36 and 38 degrees Celsius. Therefore, it seems more likely to me that IF Chapmans temperature deviated, it would be higher, not lower, than usual.

            It should be pointed out that there is no evidence that Chapman suffered from tuberculous meningitis, the way I understand things. The brain disease she suffered from could well be for example syphilis.

            The link to the paper is https://watermark.silverchair.com/22...eSBSZbjzb5C74k

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            • Do we know what side of the head the portion of envelope and piece of paper were found?

              And I'm assuming that The Times made an error when they stated that Chandler said that the envelope, paper, muslin and comb were only found after the body had been taken to the mortuary?
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              Herlock




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              • After the body had been taken away I examined the yard, and found a piece of coarse muslin, a small tooth comb, and a pocket hair comb in a case. They were lying near the feet of the woman. A portion of an envelope was found near her head, which contained two pills.
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                • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post

                  Tell that to the Victorian police. And Violena. And quite a few others. Of course, it should not be the starting point. But once we have an article pointing in that direction, I advise against gagging.
                  I think you missed my point Christer.
                  This argument suggests the police missed a liar because modern theorists have decided Richardson's testimony is false, so he must be lying. Yet, the police did not arrive at that conclusion.
                  To date, not one modern accusation of lying against a witness has been proven to be true. They are all self-serving accusations because certain testimony does not fit a personal theory.
                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • . The small intestines and other portions were lying on the right side of the body on the ground above the right shoulder, but attached.
                    Its a pity that these descriptions aren’t more accurate. Above the shoulder but did they extend away from the body? A decent drawing would have been helpful.
                    Regards

                    Herlock




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                    “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                    “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                    “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                    “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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                    • Fisherman has not referred to the article on TB that I mentioned.

                      Difficult to tell if by incompetence or dishonesty.
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                      • Herlock,

                        Up to 15 feet of the following ......

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                        Did you finally sort your problem regarding deleting photos on your iPad?
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                        • Mr. George Baxter Phillips, divisional-surgeon of police, said: On Saturday last I was called by the police at 6.20 a.m. to 29, Hanbury-street, and arrived at half-past six. I found the body of the deceased lying in the yard on her back, on the left hand of the steps that lead from the passage. The head was about 6in in front of the level of the bottom step, and the feet were towards a shed at the end of the yard. The left arm was across the left breast, and the legs were drawn up, the feet resting on the ground, and the knees turned outwards. The face was swollen and turned on the right side, and the tongue protruded between the front teeth, but not beyond the lips; it was much swollen. The small intestines and other portions were lying on the right side of the body on the ground above the right shoulder, but attached. There was a large quantity of blood, with a part of the stomach above the left shoulder. I searched the yard and found a small piece of coarse muslin, a small-tooth comb, and a pocket-comb, in a paper case, near the railing. They had apparently been arranged there. I also discovered various other articles, which I handed to the police.



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                          • [Coroner] Was there any disease? - Yes. It was not important as regards the cause of death. Disease of the lungs was of long standing, and there was disease of the membranes of the brain. The stomach contained a little food.
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                            • My favorite


                              [Coroner] Would it have been such an instrument as a medical man uses for post-mortem examinations? - The ordinary post-mortem case perhaps does not contain such a weapon.

                              Infers a specialist,perhaps a teaching pathologist.
                              Prolly carries chalk.
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                              • Originally posted by DJA View Post
                                Herlock,

                                Up to 15 feet of the following ......

                                Click image for larger version

Name:	intestines.jpg
Views:	105
Size:	38.2 KB
ID:	742171 You prolly could find actual photos on the internet .....

                                Did you finally sort your problem regarding deleting photos on your iPad?
                                Yes thanks. I was in the process of doing it when the thing was stolen.
                                Regards

                                Herlock




                                “ Herlock is the cleverest man that I’ve ever met.” - Stephen Hawking.
                                “ I wish that I could have achieved half as much as Herlock.”- Neil Armstrong.
                                “ What a voice Herlock has.” - Luciano Pavarotti.
                                “ I wish that I could dump Harry for Herlock.” - Meghan Markle.
                                “ I know that it’s not good to be jealous but I just can’t help it.” - John Holmes.

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