John Richardson sitting on the step

[RockySullivan]

Thanks rosella I wasnt sure

[Rosella]

He seems to have arrived late quite a bit when trade was slack. Tyler was supposed to have started at 6am but on this particular day he didn't arrive until 8am.

[RockySullivan]

Annie's body quite obviously wasn't there when John Richardson sat on the cellar steps. It was there later. The police questioned Richardson. Tyler wasn't even there. He turned up late for work.

Do you happen to know what time he showed up?

[Rosella]

Annie's body quite obviously wasn't there when John Richardson sat on the cellar steps. It was there later. The police questioned Richardson. Tyler wasn't even there. He turned up late for work.

[RockySullivan]

It does beggar belief how John Richardson could've been sitting on the step without noticing the mutilated corpse slumped a couple of feet away. He must've been too engrossed in his cobbling to notice.

Did the police ever confirm richardson was into work at 5 that day? He changes his story so many times, he's walking around with a knife in his pocket, he lies to officer at first when he's questioned and said he never went into the yard, there is gaiter spring near the body, which is probably the reason he claimed to be ******* with his boot, and why would richardson be able to leave work to go rubberneck at a body when he wasn't yet aware it was in his mothers yard. Just a look at his inquest testimony he's all over the place lying about everything. If like to know who lived with richardson and Tyler and who did they hang around with?

[Harry D]

It does beggar belief how John Richardson could've been sitting on the step without noticing the mutilated corpse slumped a couple of feet away. He must've been too engrossed in his cobbling to notice.

[Wickerman]

I don't think pubs were able to sell alcohol at 5am

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

I thought I would look that up.

22. Premises licensed for the sale of intoxicating liquors must be closed during the following hours :-
I. In England
(a) Premises within the administrative County of London or within a four-mile radius of Charing Cross:-
Weekdays-12.30 a.m. to 5 a.m.
Saturdays—Midnight to 1 p.m. Sunday.
Sundays-3 p.m. to 6 p.m. and 11 p.m. to 5 a.m. Monday.

So they opened at 5:00 am it seems.

[Amanda]

Mmm...

Hi Gut,
Definitely stout porter originally, you must be too young to remember..

The name was changed to just 'stout' in the 1860's.
When I took my licensee's exam, there was a section about children drinking in restaurants & it actually refers to 'porter' being one of the acceptable drinks for children to have if they're eating in a pub's restaurant area.
Amanda

[The Good Michael]

Interesting you say that, and I admit my memory is perhaps wrong, but here is an interesting article on the difference between stout and porter.

http://www.beerconnoisseur.com/porter-versus-stout

Gut,

Now there's a difference, but I'm talking about originally and the conventions are different these days . Orginally it was all porter. I home-brewed for a long time, so I studied the history at some point though it may be hazy.

Mike

[GUT]

Interesting you say that, and I admit my memory is perhaps wrong, but here is an interesting article on the difference between stout and porter.

http://www.beerconnoisseur.com/porter-versus-stout

[The Good Michael]

GUT,

It's Stout porter. It's porter and actually stout is a shortened name of stout porter. In reality, there is no 'stout' but only 'porter' with 'stout' being the adjective.

Mike

[Rosella]

Cool ginger pretty neat! Mrs richardson said many tenants in the building worked at spitalfields market and left very early in the morning. The cellar was john richardsons workshop alrhought I'm not sure what he worked on down there? It seems like richardson would be able to kill out there in the backyard safely knowing the activity of the tenants very well and having reason to be there

The cellar was Mrs Richardson's workshop. She and her husband had been box makers and she carried on his work after her husband's death. John Richardson only helped out in the business when he could. He would just check the locks to the cellar door in the morning. Amelia Richardson also had an assistant called Tyler.

[GUT]

That's exactly right Rosella.

In fact, the drink 'stout' used to be called 'stout porter' due to it's popularity as a breakfast tipple for street and river porters.

Amanda

Minor correction but I recall it being "porter stout" but no memory of it ever being "stout porter".

[RockySullivan]

So would the ripper have been on the steps while cutting annie? Richardson had his feet on the ground.

[Amanda]

Exactly..

I thought that certain pubs near to large markets were and are given certain concessions so market traders and porters up very early in the morning could get a drink. I'm almost certain this still happens today. The Ten Bells was/is opposite Spitalfields market.

That's exactly right Rosella.

In fact, the drink 'stout' used to be called 'stout porter' due to it's popularity as a breakfast tipple for street and river porters.

Amanda