AC and TOD

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Right Wickerman! And hullo!

The most likely scenarios are:

The body was not there when Richardson sat on steps and Richardson did not sit on the steps. Thems it.

[Wickerman]

Richardson opened the door, and sat on the top step, with his feet on the yard level.
And we are supposed to believe he was not able to see the body inches from his left foot?

John Davis, opened the back door, and stood there.
"Directly I opened the door I saw a woman lying down in the lefthand recess, between the stone steps and the fence."

He had no problem seeing the body, and from a standing position.

Who else is there?

James Kent & James Green, the packing case workers. They also stood at the door with it open, Kent tells us:
".. standing on the top of the back door steps, I saw a woman lying in the yard between the steps and the partition between the yard and the next."

Neither of these two men had trouble seeing the body from the top step.

Even if Richardson had let the door swing back to rest against his arm, the bottom edge of the door was still no lower than his left knee. So everything below his knee, to his left was perfectly visible.
And Annie's head lay 6 inch further out than the last step, and her body, all five feet of it, extending out into the yard is entirely open to view.

I challenge anyone to act out a video of this, using all the dimensions we have of the location of the body, and then try to explain exactly how Richardson, sat on the steps, could not see what three other men were able to see from standing in the doorway.

Who are our reenactment specialists?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello (again) DLDW. Thanks.

"Would you provide me a brief timeline of your proposed order of events?"

OK. Beginning where?

Cheers.
LC

Uh, let's say from the time she gets kicked out of the doss house.

[lynn cates]

right

Hello Colin.

"Anyone who wants to argue that what Cadosch heard was a packing case falling against the fence needs to have an explanation as to what became of the packing case - because it wasn't there when Chapman's body was found."

Precisely. Cadosch could be far off on this--but NOT on that account.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

timeline

Hello (again) DLDW. Thanks.

"Would you provide me a brief timeline of your proposed order of events?"

OK. Beginning where?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

foreign sounding man

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Then she really wouldn't have been able to stay down much longer. I imagine she would've been run off rather quickly after being discovered."

Completely agree. In fact, about a month earlier a "foreign sounding man" who was sleeping there was run off.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Colin

As an alternative source of sound, wasn't there a manufactory in the back yard of number 33? Possibly the source of some early morning horseplay overheard by a none-too-curious man with far more pressing issues on his mind?

All the best

Dave

[Bridewell]

Anyone who wants to argue that what Cadosch heard was a packing case falling against the fence needs to have an explanation as to what became of the packing case - because it wasn't there when Chapman's body was found.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Would you provide me a brief timeline of your proposed order of events?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Actually, I think she intended to sleep in the passageway.

Cheers.
LC

Then she really wouldn't have been able to stay down much longer. I imagine she would've been run off rather quickly after being discovered

[lynn cates]

passageway

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Actually, I think she intended to sleep in the passageway.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

translation

Hello Christer. Thanks.

I take the liberty of translating your post.

"For reasons that God alone knows, I have decided to back Lechmere. And now I need an earlier TOD."

Voila.

Look at Baxter's summary. It comes AFTER "The Echo," testimonies, the whole thing.

Bagster said he might be mistaken. He put it on the table.

You, however, wish it off.

Cheers,
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. I think that #3 is PRECISELY what had happened--at least in Annie's mind.

Cheers.
LC

I've been thinking about this a little. So Chapman is on the street looking for punters. She is unsuccessful, presumably, until much later??? Now, if the backyard at #29 is used for 'business' then perhaps she went there eventually to try her luck at a 'known' location. Something does not gel in my mind with her going there to sleep. Maybe being exhausted and unable to carry on works better maybe. It being safer to sleep in the day and she prob wouldn't have been able to remain down much longer as people were stirring. Anyways, she is successful at some point and then goes in the backyard and meets her fate.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Hunter. Good to see another Tennessean around these here parts.

I doubt she would have been concerned with that. These women usually didn't think that far ahead. If she'd made any money, she would have spent it.

The other options may be possible.

I'm not sure I'd put any money on that. Chapman was ill. If she'd been unsuccessful she may have tried to get the next nights money. Rest the day, then get a room early. Kinda a I'm all ready at it I can just rest up later thing. What's a couple more hours if I can rest the whole day and night. I would imagine if drink and food were not the primary concerns then lodgings was number one.

[Fisherman]

G'day Fish



Easily done , even if he did take a peek into the yard !

moonbegger

Agreed - and I bet it all was due to that door, that swung back on you when opening it. After that, itīs all about angles!

the best,
Fisherman