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  • How Many Victims?

    Who do you believe JTR killed?

    Why?

    Any counter-arguments to your argument?
    O have you seen the devle
    with his mikerscope and scalpul
    a lookin at a Kidney
    With a slide cocked up.

  • #2
    Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes - Definitely.
    Tabram and Kelly - Probably.
    Stride - Possibly.
    McKenzie - Weak possibility.

    My estimates are based on match to the Rippers signature and timing. McKenzie would rate higher if she'd been killed on a dark night like the others.
    "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

    "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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    • #3
      c5 definitely. mckenzie and tabram probably
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • #4
        The C5, Tabram, Rose Mylett and Ellen Bury.

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        • #5
          I think that these victims were killed by the same killer: Nichols, Chapman, Stride, Eddowes and Kelly. It's possible that he killed Tabram and McKenzie. With Tabram even more, cause of such close proximity to other murder sites.

          Btw, I don't understand why some researchers think that Kelly is not the Ripper victim. To me that's just irrational: lust killers are very rare (especially of that kind) and with Spitalfields and Whitechapel (where depsite infamy murder was not that often) to have two of that kind, in the same period of time, is almost impossible. Some think that Kelly was killed by a copycat or someone who was trying to stage it as a Ripper victim (which is, considering her destruction, even more silly). Well, to me Ripper title is even more deserving for the Kelly murderer that any others but you can clearly see similarities to Eddowes killing (mutilation of both abnominal areas and face). The only differences are coming from her being younger and killed indoors. I think it this case the Ockham razor is a good principle. The same goes for Stride.

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          • #6
            Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes, Kelly - Definitely.
            Tabram - Probably (75/25).
            Stride - Possibly (50/50).
            MacKenzie - Weak possibility (25/75).

            My view is that he was driven by a desire to mutilate​, which we clearly see in the first 4.

            I think that Tabram may have got the series going, in the sense that she, perhaps, triggered him while he hadn't been going out with murder on his mind, yet. In other words, she said or did something that infuriated him to such an extent that he attacked her in the spur of the moment. That would explain the differences between her and the first 4 on my list.

            With Stride I'm on the fence; the timing and, therefore, the number of people that were still up & about was different and the attack itself was different in my view. If it was the Ripper who killed her, then I think he realized he would have no time to mutilate, but killed her anyway.

            I'm inclined to think MacKenzie probablly wasn't a Ripper victim, because of the differences in the wounds - both to the throat and the abdomen - and the relatively long gap, but I've not closed the door entirely to that possibility.
            "You can rob me, you can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me."
            Clint Eastwood as Gunny in "Heartbreak Ridge"

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            • #7
              Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly - certainly
              Nichols, McKenzie - almost certainly
              Coles, Stride, Tabram- probable
              Pinchin St - possible
              Mylett - unlikely
              Smith- No

              "Great minds, don't think alike"

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