Would Tumblety Have Assumed That He Was Being Followed?

[Errata]

I feel like a snake oil salesman doesn't survive his first few years (and certainly not working the Civil War) without knowing when to run. Because nothing he does means anything unless he gets away. He could have an incredibly prosperous year long run somewhere, but it doesn't matter if he doesn't read the signs that the tide is about to turn. He was always in danger of arrest or hanging. And he was alive in 1888 because he respected those dangers, and believed in them.

Whatever else was going on in his life, I gotta think that he would have been keenly aware of the trouble he was in, or could be in. It's how he got as far as he did. He had to know. The man was never strung up by angry customers. He had to have some skills.

[pinkmoon]

If you read Simon woods excellent book" deconstructing jack "it becomes very obvious that Tumblety was only a cover for the police to travel overseas to investigate other matters.

[Trevor Marriott]

Trevor,

You should read my threads better. He was not under surveillance before his initial arrest on suspicion. The names of his 4 young men came from letters in his pocket during his arrest on suspicion.

Tumblety being a narcissist would have also been paranoid, so I agree he would have believed he'd be followed. Just as Tumblety easily hid from the police in New York when he arrived after his absconding, he would have easily sneaked away from the police. The police had his address, though.

Mike

So those letters also contained the dates of the offences did they ? would you care you care to publish them.

How do you explain his arrest on warrant for those offences then? The letters would not have been obtained until after his arrest and to an effect an arrest the police would have had to disclose their evidence to a magistrate for him to issue the warrant.

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[mklhawley]

Trevor,

You should read my threads better. He was not under surveillance before his initial arrest on suspicion. The names of his 4 young men came from letters in his pocket during his arrest on suspicion.

Tumblety being a narcissist would have also been paranoid, so I agree he would have believed he'd be followed. Just as Tumblety easily hid from the police in New York when he arrived after his absconding, he would have easily sneaked away from the police. The police had his address, though.

Mike

[Trevor Marriott]

I know that there are arguments on both sides of the question as to whether Tumblety would have been out on bail in time to kill Mary Kelly (and let's not go there again with this thread). Let's assume for the sake of argument that he was. Let's also assume that he was questioned simply with respect to the gross indecency charges and that allegations that he was the Ripper were merely hinted at.

I would have to think that he would have had to have been extremely stupid and extremely naive to think that he was simply being questioned with regard to the gross indecency charges. So the questions is this -- wouldn't it have been a reasonable assumption on his part to assume that upon his being let out that he would have been followed?

c.d.

An excellent assumption, and having regard to the fact that by reason of his charges and the dates of the offences, he would have known that they may have already had him under surveillance.

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[c.d.]

I know that there are arguments on both sides of the question as to whether Tumblety would have been out on bail in time to kill Mary Kelly (and let's not go there again with this thread). Let's assume for the sake of argument that he was. Let's also assume that he was questioned simply with respect to the gross indecency charges and that allegations that he was the Ripper were merely hinted at.

I would have to think that he would have had to have been extremely stupid and extremely naive to think that he was simply being questioned with regard to the gross indecency charges. So the questions is this -- wouldn't it have been a reasonable assumption on his part to assume that upon his being let out that he would have been followed?

c.d.