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    Greetings all,

    Howard Brown has posted on his forum a comment and an article from the Daily Alta California, San Francisco, November 23, 1888, which is in dire need of correcting, since it makes the casual reader embrace falsehood. I understand, though, why Howard didn’t know. He comments on San Francisco’s Chief Crowley’s correspondence with Assistant Commissioner Anderson about Francis Tumblety specific to him being a Whitechapel murder suspect. Brown’s claim –which has been high-fived by Trevor Marriott- is that this article refutes the position that Anderson initiated the correspondence (apparently demonstrating that Anderson did not consider Tumblety a suspect). Brown clearly supports the belief that Chief Crowley read about Tumblety being a suspect on November 19, heard that Tumblety lived in his city for a time, contacted Anderson on his own to offer his assistance the very same day, Anderson gave a courtesy cable saying, ‘cool’ on November 22, which made the paper on the 23rd.

    So, why does this very article begin by refuting this very claim? The very first sentence states: “Chief Crowley has exchanged considerable correspondence with the Scotland Yard officials in reference to “Dr. Tumblety,” who is under arrest on suspicion…”

    How would a query wire from Crowley followed by one courtesy wire by Anderson be translated to ‘has exchanged considerable correspondence’?

    Well, on the very same day (November 23), the San Francisco Examiner clarifies it:

    Dr. Tumblety
    The London Detectives Ask Chief Crowley About Him
    Dr. Francis Tumblety, the suspect arrested at London in connection with the Whitechapel murders, is still held by the police of that city, and a good deal of importance seems to be attached to his apprehension. All facts in relation to the suspected “doctor” are being fully collected, and, as Tumblety was once in this city, there has been considerable correspondence telegraphed between the Police Departments of San Francisco and London. Chief of Police Crowley has succeeded in gaining some further information about Tumblety, who came to this city in 1870 and opened an account at the Hibernia Bank...



    If you read Roger Palmer’s article, you would have known the answer. Anderson initiated the correspondence. Note what the Examiner stated on December 4, 1888:

    San Francisco Examiner, December 4, 1888, SHADOWED BY THE POLICE
    Arrival in New York of the Notorious Dr. Tumblety.

    (Special to the Examiner.) New York, December 3. - Dr. Francis Tumblety, who was suspected of having something to do with the Whitechapel murders, arrived in New York on Sunday. The doctor was held in $1,500 bail by the London authorities under a special law passed after the exposure of the Pall Mall Gazette. He jumped his bail, went to France and took passage on the La Bretagne at Havre.
    Although he shipped under a false name, Chief Inspector Byrnes knew of his coming, and on the arrival of the French vessel the doctor was watched. A detective from England is also shadowing him.

    Tumblety traveled a great deal in Europe. When arrested in London the English authorities telegraphed to San Francisco for samples of his handwriting to compare them with the supposed writings of "Jack the Ripper." He had always manifested a great dislike for women.




    Finally, in New York there was no confusion. Anderson initiated correspondence with the chiefs of police (at the same time as he was having correspondence with San Francisco) and not the other way around.


    Brooklyn Citizen, November 23, 1888
    “Is He The Ripper?” A Brooklynite Charged With the Whitechapel Murders Superintendent Campbell Asked by the London Police to Hunt Up the Record of Francis Tumblety — Captain Eason Supplies the Information and It Is Interesting

    Police Superintendent Campbell received a cable dispatch yesterday from Mr. Anderson, the deputy chief of the London Police, asking him to make some inquiries about Francis Tumblety, who is under arrest in England on the charge of indecent assault. Tumblety is referred to in the dispatch in the following manner: “He says he is known to you, Chief, as Brooklyn’s Beauty.”

    Tumblety was arrested in London some weeks ago as the supposed Whitechapel murderer. Since his incarceration in prison he has boasted of how he had succeeded in baffling the police. He also claimed that he was a resident of Brooklyn, and this was what caused the Deputy Chief of Police to communicate with Superintendent Campbell. The superintendent gave the dispatch immediate attention, and through Captain Eason, of the Second Precinct, has learned all about Tumblety. He came to this city in 1863 from Sherbrook, Canada, where he said he had been a practicing physician. He opened a store on the southeast corner of Fulton and Nassau streets, and sold herb preparations. He did a tremendous business and deposited in the Brooklyn Savings Bank at least $100 a day. He was a very eccentric character, six feet high, dark complexion, large and long flowing mustache, and well built.



    What makes more sense, Anderson contacted all US chiefs of police for info on his incarcerated suspect, or Anderson only contacted New York’s chiefs of police, but not San Francisco’s, yet Crowley coincidentally contacted Anderson on a whim?


    Sincerely,
    Mike
    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

  • #2
    [QUOTE=mklhawley;271312]Greetings all,

    Howard Brown has posted on his forum a comment and an article from the Daily Alta California, San Francisco, November 23, 1888, which is in dire need of correcting, since it makes the casual reader embrace falsehood.

    It doesn't it negates what you have said all along

    I understand, though, why Howard didn’t know. He comments on San Francisco’s Chief Crowley’s correspondence with Assistant Commissioner Anderson about Francis Tumblety specific to him being a Whitechapel murder suspect. Brown’s claim –which has been high-fived by Trevor Marriott- is that this article refutes the position that Anderson initiated the correspondence (apparently demonstrating that Anderson did not consider Tumblety a suspect). Brown clearly supports the belief that Chief Crowley read about Tumblety being a suspect on November 19, heard that Tumblety lived in his city for a time, contacted Anderson on his own to offer his assistance the very same day, Anderson gave a courtesy cable saying, ‘cool’ on November 22, which made the paper on the 23rd.

    All after Tumblety was long gone

    So, why does this very article begin by refuting this very claim? The very first sentence states: “Chief Crowley has exchanged considerable correspondence with the Scotland Yard officials in reference to “Dr. Tumblety,” who is under arrest on suspicion…”

    Tumbley was never under arrest for the Whitechapel Murders


    How would a query wire from Crowley followed by one courtesy wire by Anderson be translated to ‘has exchanged considerable correspondence’?

    Well, on the very same day (November 23), the San Francisco Examiner clarifies it:

    Dr. Tumblety
    The London Detectives Ask Chief Crowley About Him
    Dr. Francis Tumblety, the suspect arrested at London in connection with the Whitechapel murders, is still held by the police of that city, and a good deal of importance seems to be attached to his apprehension. All facts in relation to the suspected “doctor” are being fully collected, and, as Tumblety was once in this city, there has been considerable correspondence telegraphed between the Police Departments of San Francisco and London. Chief of Police Crowley has succeeded in gaining some further information about Tumblety, who came to this city in 1870 and opened an account at the Hibernia Bank...


    Again thats wrong as he had long gone by then

    If you read Roger Palmer’s article, you would have known the answer. Anderson initiated the correspondence. Note what the Examiner stated on December 4, 1888:

    San Francisco Examiner, December 4, 1888, SHADOWED BY THE POLICE
    Arrival in New York of the Notorious Dr. Tumblety.

    (Special to the Examiner.) New York, December 3. - Dr. Francis Tumblety, who was suspected of having something to do with the Whitechapel murders, arrived in New York on Sunday. The doctor was held in $1,500 bail by the London authorities under a special law passed after the exposure of the Pall Mall Gazette. He jumped his bail, went to France and took passage on the La Bretagne at Havre.
    Although he shipped under a false name, Chief Inspector Byrnes knew of his coming, and on the arrival of the French vessel the doctor was watched. A detective from England is also shadowing him.

    "Suspected of having something to do" a big step back from being arrested for

    Tumblety traveled a great deal in Europe. When arrested in London the English authorities telegraphed to San Francisco for samples of his handwriting to compare them with the supposed writings of "Jack the Ripper." He had always manifested a great dislike for women.


    Thats conjecture on your part !

    Tumblety was arrested in London some weeks ago as the supposed Whitechapel murderer. Since his incarceration in prison he has boasted of how he had succeeded in baffling the police.[/I]

    There is one part of this which corroborates what I have said all along that Tumbley as we know was arrested and charged with offences of gross indecency, and despite what you say and others was clearly not given bail and therefore could not have been on the loose when Mary Kelly was murdered.

    The police in 1888 only had the power to detain a prisoner for up to 24 hours before he was either released or bailed or brought before a court. In Tumblety case he was brought before the court and detained where he spent a week in prison on remand before being granted bail.

    Note the article states "Since his incarceration in prison" quite significant do you not think or are you going to explain this away with some fantasmogorical explanation.


    What makes more sense, Anderson contacted all US chiefs of police for info on his incarcerated suspect, or Anderson only contacted New York’s chiefs of police, but not San Francisco’s, yet Crowley coincidentally contacted Anderson on a whim?

    Anderson could not have done that all in the timeTumblety was at the police station in the first instance.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mklhawley View Post
      Greetings all,

      Howard Brown has posted on his forum a comment and an article from the Daily Alta California, San Francisco, November 23, 1888, which is in dire need of correcting, since it makes the casual reader embrace falsehood. I understand, though, why Howard didn’t know. He comments on San Francisco’s Chief Crowley’s correspondence with Assistant Commissioner Anderson about Francis Tumblety specific to him being a Whitechapel murder suspect. Brown’s claim –which has been high-fived by Trevor Marriott- is that this article refutes the position that Anderson initiated the correspondence (apparently demonstrating that Anderson did not consider Tumblety a suspect). Brown clearly supports the belief that Chief Crowley read about Tumblety being a suspect on November 19, heard that Tumblety lived in his city for a time, contacted Anderson on his own to offer his assistance the very same day, Anderson gave a courtesy cable saying, ‘cool’ on November 22, which made the paper on the 23rd.

      So, why does this very article begin by refuting this very claim? The very first sentence states: “Chief Crowley has exchanged considerable correspondence with the Scotland Yard officials in reference to “Dr. Tumblety,” who is under arrest on suspicion…”

      How would a query wire from Crowley followed by one courtesy wire by Anderson be translated to ‘has exchanged considerable correspondence’?

      Well, on the very same day (November 23), the San Francisco Examiner clarifies it:

      Dr. Tumblety
      The London Detectives Ask Chief Crowley About Him
      Dr. Francis Tumblety, the suspect arrested at London in connection with the Whitechapel murders, is still held by the police of that city, and a good deal of importance seems to be attached to his apprehension. All facts in relation to the suspected “doctor” are being fully collected, and, as Tumblety was once in this city, there has been considerable correspondence telegraphed between the Police Departments of San Francisco and London. Chief of Police Crowley has succeeded in gaining some further information about Tumblety, who came to this city in 1870 and opened an account at the Hibernia Bank...



      If you read Roger Palmer’s article, you would have known the answer. Anderson initiated the correspondence. Note what the Examiner stated on December 4, 1888:

      San Francisco Examiner, December 4, 1888, SHADOWED BY THE POLICE
      Arrival in New York of the Notorious Dr. Tumblety.

      (Special to the Examiner.) New York, December 3. - Dr. Francis Tumblety, who was suspected of having something to do with the Whitechapel murders, arrived in New York on Sunday. The doctor was held in $1,500 bail by the London authorities under a special law passed after the exposure of the Pall Mall Gazette. He jumped his bail, went to France and took passage on the La Bretagne at Havre.
      Although he shipped under a false name, Chief Inspector Byrnes knew of his coming, and on the arrival of the French vessel the doctor was watched. A detective from England is also shadowing him.

      Tumblety traveled a great deal in Europe. When arrested in London the English authorities telegraphed to San Francisco for samples of his handwriting to compare them with the supposed writings of "Jack the Ripper." He had always manifested a great dislike for women.




      Finally, in New York there was no confusion. Anderson initiated correspondence with the chiefs of police (at the same time as he was having correspondence with San Francisco) and not the other way around.


      Brooklyn Citizen, November 23, 1888
      “Is He The Ripper?” A Brooklynite Charged With the Whitechapel Murders Superintendent Campbell Asked by the London Police to Hunt Up the Record of Francis Tumblety — Captain Eason Supplies the Information and It Is Interesting

      Police Superintendent Campbell received a cable dispatch yesterday from Mr. Anderson, the deputy chief of the London Police, asking him to make some inquiries about Francis Tumblety, who is under arrest in England on the charge of indecent assault. Tumblety is referred to in the dispatch in the following manner: “He says he is known to you, Chief, as Brooklyn’s Beauty.”

      Tumblety was arrested in London some weeks ago as the supposed Whitechapel murderer. Since his incarceration in prison he has boasted of how he had succeeded in baffling the police. He also claimed that he was a resident of Brooklyn, and this was what caused the Deputy Chief of Police to communicate with Superintendent Campbell. The superintendent gave the dispatch immediate attention, and through Captain Eason, of the Second Precinct, has learned all about Tumblety. He came to this city in 1863 from Sherbrook, Canada, where he said he had been a practicing physician. He opened a store on the southeast corner of Fulton and Nassau streets, and sold herb preparations. He did a tremendous business and deposited in the Brooklyn Savings Bank at least $100 a day. He was a very eccentric character, six feet high, dark complexion, large and long flowing mustache, and well built.



      What makes more sense, Anderson contacted all US chiefs of police for info on his incarcerated suspect, or Anderson only contacted New York’s chiefs of police, but not San Francisco’s, yet Crowley coincidentally contacted Anderson on a whim?


      Sincerely,
      Mike
      There is one other matter which sticks out like a sore thumb you are quick to keep citing all these US newspaper articles yet there is not one British newspaper article I have come across which give any details of Tumbelty even being suspcted of the murders let alone arrested as you suggest care to comment ?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
        There is one other matter which sticks out like a sore thumb you are quick to keep citing all these US newspaper articles yet there is not one British newspaper article I have come across which give any details of Tumbelty even being suspcted of the murders let alone arrested as you suggest care to comment ?
        Where've you been Trevor? My last Rip article points out that this is a complete misconception. Read it and we'll talk.

        Mike
        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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        • #5
          [QUOTE=Trevor Marriott;271315]
          Originally posted by mklhawley View Post


          There is one part of this which corroborates what I have said all along that Tumbley as we know was arrested and charged with offences of gross indecency, and despite what you say and others was clearly not given bail and therefore could not have been on the loose when Mary Kelly was murdered.

          The police in 1888 only had the power to detain a prisoner for up to 24 hours before he was either released or bailed or brought before a court. In Tumblety case he was brought before the court and detained where he spent a week in prison on remand before being granted bail.

          Note the article states "Since his incarceration in prison" quite significant do you not think or are you going to explain this away with some fantasmogorical explanation.
          Trevor, someday you should read my stuff. It completely refutes any of your confusing responses. Case in point, your above comment. I refuted this on my last thread. I could repeat everything or merely direct to to that thread.
          The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
          http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mklhawley View Post
            Where've you been Trevor? My last Rip article points out that this is a complete misconception. Read it and we'll talk.

            Mike
            Sadly my finances wont stretch to a subscription and besides after how I have been treated by those that run the show I wouldnt accept a copy if they offered it for free.

            and i am sure it wont refute the real facts surrounding Tumblety and his arrest
            Last edited by Trevor Marriott; 08-13-2013, 04:15 PM.

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            • #7
              Hi Mike,

              What information on Tumblety, who according to Littlechild had been "a frequent visitor to London", might Anderson have been seeking which wasn't already contained in the "large dossier concerning him at Scotland Yard"?

              Regards,

              Simon
              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                Hi Mike,

                What information on Tumblety, who according to Littlechild had been "a frequent visitor to London", might Anderson have been seeking which wasn't already contained in the "large dossier concerning him at Scotland Yard"?

                Regards,

                Simon
                Hi Simon,

                This is a leading question. The fact that Anderson was seeking information, information we know thanks to the primary sources, is all that's needed. Are you second guessing Anderson's decision to request information, since the dossier should be good enough?

                Sincerely,
                Mike
                The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                • #9
                  Hi Mike,

                  It is a leading question.

                  In answer to which I would appreciate your best guess.

                  Regards,

                  Simon
                  Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                  • #10
                    It doesn't matter...

                    It doesn't matter how big a dossier or file is on a suspect in a foreign country, they would still need information from his country of origin.

                    This could be many things such as antecedent history including suspicions and convictions, criminal activity in home country, acquaintances and contacts, affiliation to political parties in that country, financial means, frequency of travel, samples of paperwork for known handwriting, etc., etc. There would be much that wasn't in a dossier compiled in England.
                    SPE

                    Treat me gently I'm a newbie.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View Post
                      It doesn't matter how big a dossier or file is on a suspect in a foreign country, they would still need information from his country of origin.

                      This could be many things such as antecedent history including suspicions and convictions, criminal activity in home country, acquaintances and contacts, affiliation to political parties in that country, financial means, frequency of travel, samples of paperwork for known handwriting, etc., etc. There would be much that wasn't in a dossier compiled in England.
                      With respect Scotland Yard had Tumblety on their radar for the gross indecency offences going back to June 1888. In fact that would even suggest they had him under surveillance from then until his arrest on Nov 7th.

                      At this point I wil again mention the fact that as is know he was charged on Nov 7th with three offences of gross indecency one fo those was committed on Aug 31st the date of the Polly Nichols murder.

                      Now if Tumblety was ever spoken to about the murders and I don't believe for one moment that he was then surely that fact alone might have gone a long way to eliminate him.

                      I would have expected the police to have known all about Tumblety by the time they arrested him. After all those issues you mention above would be easy to acquire in quick time. They wouldn't wait till he was arrested and besides what relevance would some of those facts be with regards to his indecency offences? or for court use.?

                      His financial means were established following his arrest by details he provided in order to subsequently get bail, and those details would have been confirmed by the police as was the requirement where sureties were asked for or offered up.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                        With respect Scotland Yard had Tumblety on their radar for the gross indecency offences going back to June 1888. In fact that would even suggest they had him under surveillance from then until his arrest on Nov 7th.

                        At this point I wil again mention the fact that as is know he was charged on Nov 7th with three offences of gross indecency one fo those was committed on Aug 31st the date of the Polly Nichols murder.

                        Now if Tumblety was ever spoken to about the murders and I don't believe for one moment that he was then surely that fact alone might have gone a long way to eliminate him.

                        I would have expected the police to have known all about Tumblety by the time they arrested him. After all those issues you mention above would be easy to acquire in quick time. They wouldn't wait till he was arrested and besides what relevance would some of those facts be with regards to his indecency offences? or for court use.?

                        His financial means were established following his arrest by details he provided in order to subsequently get bail, and those details would have been confirmed by the police as was the requirement where sureties were asked for or offered up.
                        Trevor,
                        You can't just ignore the evidence from primary sources. Your conclusion doesn't match all of the evidence. If everything fits, then why reject it?

                        The cable wire coming out of London claimed their source was 'the police', which stated that Tumblety was arrested on suspicion for the murders. This matches the court records, so why ignore it? He was arrested without a warrant on suspicion like dozens of others, i.e., suspicious behavior on the streets of Whitechapel. This arrest doesn't necessarily have to be the Novemer 7 initial arrest on the court calendar, because that arrest must have been related to the reason why he was on the calendar in the first place, gross indecency and indecent assault.

                        Arresting without a warrant means the authorities kept him incarcerated until they confirmed who he was AND where is place of residence was. Other primary sources explain that issue. Once they realized who this guy was, Francis Tumblety, a man with a large dossier on him (British arrests going back to the 1870s), AND just as the primary source explained, they had nothing on this specific to the Ripper murders like everyone else. BUT unlike everyone else, they could keep this guy off the streets because of his gross indecency activities. Something in his file and/or his suspicious street behavior convinced Scotland Yard he was someone to take seriously.

                        It all fits, but of course, you must now admit you were wrong for a decade and that's tough to do.

                        Sincerely,
                        Mike
                        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                        • #13
                          I don't intend...

                          I don't intend debating the ins and outs of the monkey's ----hole with a person who knows less than I have forgotten about the Ripper case.

                          Suffice to say that as head of the Special Branch (1883-1893) Littlechild was hardly interested in Tumblety because of any indecency offences, especially those as equivocal as the offence created under section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885. No, Tumblety was an Irish-American with recorded interests in Irish Nationalism and Littlechild was concerned with Fenian activities and any connection that Tumblety, as an Irish-American, may have had with those operating in England. That was why Tumblety was the subject of a large dossier.
                          SPE

                          Treat me gently I'm a newbie.

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                          • #14
                            Hi All,

                            The Tumblety-as-Ripper-suspect story is poppycock.

                            Five days before the steamship La Bretagne slipped anchor at Le Havre en route for New York descriptions of Tumblety appeared in the US press—

                            "His own face is covered with pimples, and although his features are otherwise regular, his appearance on this account is somewhat repulsive. He is a large and heavily built man, standing fully six feet in his stockings." [New York World, 19th November 1888]

                            "He was of striking personal appearance, being considerably over six feet in height, of graceful and powerful build, with strongly marked features, beautifully clear complexion, a sweeping mustache, and jet-black hair." [New York Times, 19th November 1888]

                            "He is about fifty-five years old, tall and rather heavy, and looks as if he painted his cheeks and dyed his hair, heavy mustache and side whiskers." [New York Herald, 19th November 1888]

                            Tumblety would have been hard to miss, yet at Le Havre he managed to escape the attentions of port-watcher William Melville, who in March 1893 took over from John Littlechild as head of Special Branch.

                            Tumblety travelled under the assumed name of Frank Townsend. This is lent credence by Tim Riordan's discovery of La Bretagne's passenger manifest—

                            Roll 528, List 1616, Line 36
                            1888 3 Dec. ship La Bretagne; Havre to New York

                            No. 36
                            Name Frank Townsend
                            Age 45
                            Sex M
                            Calling no occ[upation]
                            Citizenship USA
                            Destination NY
                            Loc of Pass[enger]. 1st Place [class]
                            # of bags 4

                            La Bretagne docked in New York at 1.30 pm on Sunday 2nd December.

                            It would have been difficult for anyone not to recognize such an imposing figure as Tumblety disembarking from La Bretagne, yet the Frederick News [Maryland], Tuesday 4th December 1888, reported—

                            "According to the detectives he arrived on the French steamship La Bretagne, from Havre, and although there were a dozen or more reporters on the pier when he landed, all failed to recognize him."

                            All except reporters from the New York World.

                            New York World, Tuesday 4th December 1888—

                            "When the French line steamer La Bretagne, from Havre, came to her dock at 1:30 Sunday afternoon two keen-looking men pushed through the crowd and stood on either side of the gangplank. They glanced impatiently at the passengers until a big, fine-looking man hurried across the deck and began to descend. He had a heavy, fierce-looking mustache, waxed at the ends; his face was pale and he looked hurried and excited. He wore a dark blue ulster, with belt buttoned. He carried unders his arm two canes and an umbrella fastened together with a strap.

                            "He hurriedly engaged a cab, gave the directions in a low voice and was driven away. The two keen-looking men jumped into another cab and followed him. The fine-looking man was the notorious Dr. Francis Twomblety or Tumblety, and his pursuers were two of Inspector Byrnes's best men, Crowley and Hickey."

                            The most intriguing thing about this story [plus those of the New York Times, New York Herald and New York Tribune] is why it didn't break until Tuesday 4th December. One of the most notorious characters of the past thirty years—a charlatan, quack doctor, "suspect" in the Jack the Ripper murders and a $1500 bail jumper on charges under the "Modern Babylon Act"—had arrived in America on Sunday 2nd December, yet nothing appeared in the New York press on Monday 3rd December.

                            More interesting is the perspective of the New York World story. Who wrote it? Was a New York World reporter standing on the dock watching Crowley and Hickey as they followed the man with "a heavy, fierce-looking mustache, waxed at the ends" [whom no other reporters recognized] as he "hurriedly engaged a cab, gave the directions in a low voice and was driven away"?

                            Did a New York World reporter follow Crowley and Hickey as they "jumped into another cab and followed him"?

                            Did a New York World reporter watch as—"Dr. Twomblety's cab stopped at Fourth Avenue and 10th Street, where the doctor got out, paid the driver and stepped briskly up the steps of No. 75 East 10th Street, the Arnold House. He pulled the bell, and, as no one came, he grew impatient and walked a little further down the street to No. 81. Here there was another delay in responding to his summons, and he became impatient that he tried the next house No. 79. This time there was a prompt answer to his ring and he entered. It was just 2:20 when the door closed on Dr. Twomblety and he has not been seen since"?

                            The story reads more like a clumsily-constructed police communique.

                            The New York Herald added a detail to the NY World story, saying that Tumblety had "a small steamer trunk placed on the box" of his cab. Presumably, after paying off the cab, Tumblety hauled this and his "two canes and an umbrella fastened together with a strap" up and down East 10th Street as he searched for lodgings, starting at No. 75 before doubling back on himself by calling at No. 81 before going to No. 79. And why was Mrs. McNamara at No. 79, "a fat, good-natured old lady and a firm believer in the doctor who is an old friend" his third choice of landlady? Why didn't Tumblety go straight to her house?

                            La Bretagne docked at 1.30 pm. By 2.20 pm Tumblety was inside Mrs McNamara's lodging house in mid-Manhattan, door closed, never to be seen again. The ship carried 390 1st Class passengers. Forty minutes to disembark, clear immigration and customs and reach mid-Manhattan when all baggage had to be gathered together on the dock for inspection and signed declarations of ownership presented to the customs inspector? That's good going.

                            Tumblety could have speeded things up by opting to have inspection of his baggage [except for the small steamer trunk] postponed. Such baggage was sent to the appraiser's store for later inspection.

                            This he may have done, for on Monday 3rd December "the bell of No. 79 was kept merrily jingling all day long . . . Mrs. McNamara at first said the doctor was stopping there. He had spent the night in his room, she said, and in the morning he had gone downtown to get his baggage. He would be back at 2 o'clock." This tallies with the entry on La Bretagne's passenger manifest which records that Frank Townsend had "4 bags".

                            Mrs McNamara next told the New York World that "the doctor had not been in her house for two months; that he was abroad, poor dear gentleman, for his health; she had heard some of those awful stories about him, but bless his heart, he would not hurt a chicken! Why he never owed her a cent in his life, and once he had walked up three flights of stairs to pay her a dollar!" And later the same day that "she had no idea who Dr. Twomblety was. She didn't know anything about him, didn't want to know anything about him, didn't want to know anything and could not understand why she was bothered so much."

                            So who was the person Crowley and Hickey followed from the docks to Mrs McNamara's house, the six-foot-tall man with the "heavy, fierce-looking mustache, waxed at the ends" who had crossed the Atlantic aboard the steamship La Bretagne?

                            New York World, Tuesday 4th December 1888—

                            "He [Tumblety/Townsend] must have kept himself very quiet on the La Bretagne, for a number of passengers who were interviewed could not remember having seen any one answering his description."

                            And on a more circumspect note the New York Times, same day, reported—

                            "The man who is supposed to be Tumblety came over on the steamship as 'Frank Townsend', and kept in his stateroom, under the plea of sickness."

                            New York Herald, Tuesday 4th December 1888—

                            "Although he shipped under a false name, Chief Inspector Byrnes knew of his coming and had the arrival of the French vessel watched."

                            Tumblety had obviously succeeded in slipping unnoticed past French and British security at Le Havre, so from whom or where had Byrnes and the US press got this information? Who other than Tumblety himself could have known he was travelling under an assumed name?

                            In a Casebook dissertation "Tumblety Talks" Roger Palmer opined—

                            "Over the next several weeks [following his arrival] Tumblety's exact whereabouts remained unknown. It is sometimes argued that he sat cozily and openly in New York City and could have been easily contacted by Scotland Yard. Such was not the case. Tumblety did not resurface in New York for nearly eight weeks . . ."

                            So where was Tumblety during this period? Not only had he outwitted Scotland Yard; it seems he had also outwitted New York's finest, who had been so scathing about the failure of London's Metropolitan Police to catch Jack the Ripper.

                            On 6th December a New York World headline read "Dr. Tumblety Has Flown," the story reporting a carpenter living opposite Mrs McNamara as saying that in the early hours of the previous day a man answering Tumblety's description left Mrs McNamara's house, walked to Fourth Avenue and took an uptown [trolley] car."

                            The next address we have for Tumblety is Mrs Helen Lamb's lodging house at 204 Washington Street, Brooklyn. A report in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 28th January 1889, stated that Tumblety, under the name of Mr Smith, had booked in on or about 17th January 1889.

                            This leaves us a seven-week period during which to account for Tumblety's whereabouts.

                            Happily, a clue was provided by the Syracuse Daily Journal.

                            On 4th December 1888, the day before he was seen leaving Mrs McNamara's boarding house at 79 East 10th Street and seven weeks before he reappeared in Washington Street, Brooklyn, the newspaper reported—

                            "Dr. Francis Tumblety, the [?] American suspected by the London authorities of being implicated in the Whitechapel atrocities, arrived at New York Sunday from Havre . . . As there was no charge or indictment against him he was not taken into custody.

                            "He is now stopping at a Washington Street boarding house. Inspector Byrne [?] will keep an eye on him for a time in case he is wanted."

                            Clearly a case of journalistic clairvoyance.

                            I would respectfully submit that Tumblety was not the passenger who arrived in New York as Frank Townsend; that Tumblety arrived in New York some time later in January 1889.

                            Regards,

                            Simon
                            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View Post
                              I don't intend debating the ins and outs of the monkey's ----hole with a person who knows less than I have forgotten about the Ripper case.

                              Suffice to say that as head of the Special Branch (1883-1893) Littlechild was hardly interested in Tumblety because of any indecency offences, especially those as equivocal as the offence created under section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885. No, Tumblety was an Irish-American with recorded interests in Irish Nationalism and Littlechild was concerned with Fenian activities and any connection that Tumblety, as an Irish-American, may have had with those operating in England. That was why Tumblety was the subject of a large dossier.
                              Yet not a mention of tumblety as a ripper suspect or otherwise by Littlechild in the SB register

                              Your getting like mike hawley making it up as you go along just so it fits

                              Was it not you an ex police officer who suggested that tumblety was arrested and bailed to go back to the police station a procedure now known as delayed charge bail

                              You should have known that that procedure was not in place in 1888 and only introduced in 1976

                              So clearly you don't know as much about this case as you think you do

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