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Originally posted by Stewart P Evans
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Trust the Master to tell it like it is.
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Thankyou, Stewart
Trust the Master to tell it like it is.allisvanityandvexationofspirit -
Incidentally Mike, I hope the family health issues and not of a serious nature.
To come back to the point you made that connecting the New York Evening Star - Wheeling Register story to the Bucks County Gazette story is unconvincing…
can you come up with a more convincing explanation for how the Bucks County Gazette came up with their story?
But to move on, what of the London derived stories about Tumblety’s arrest?
Did they come from multiple sources that effectively corroborate each other?
The America press corps in London would undoubtedly have associated together to an extent.
Between Tumblety’s bailing on Friday 16th November to his flight around 20th he had ample opportunity to tell the story to the New York World’s correspondent and then slightly different versions to the other correspondents, with the story growing slightly in the telling, but with the vital common thread that the Gross Indecency charges are glossed over.
These stories seem to have been disseminated in the period before his flight – perhaps before he had decided to flee.
It seems certain that Tumblety attended the Old Bailey on Monday 19th and Tuesday 20th November. Perhaps he was not able to flee for whatever reason prior to 20th. Then when the case had been adjourned until 10th December he took an opportunity to leg it.
On 17th November the New York World cable stated:
‘Another arrest was a man who gave the name of Dr. Kumblety of New York. The police could not hold him on suspicion of the Whitechapel crimes, but he will be committed for trial at the Central Criminal Court under the special law passed soon after the Modern Babylon exposures. The police say this is the man's right name, as proved by letters in his possession; that he is from New York, and that he has been in the habit of crossing the ocean twice a year for several years.'
In this – the first version to appear, no date is given for Tumblety’s supposed arrest although it can be presumed to have been that week.
The police identified Tumblety (whose identity was known as of 7th November remember) by checking against the letters in his possession.
The report masks the true nature of Tumbety’s arrest by use the ‘Modern Babylon’ disguise.
The New York Herald reported on 20th November 1888:
‘Dr. Tumblety, alias Blackburn, the person who was arrested in London a week ago as "Jack the Ripper," was a well known character in Brooklyn many years ago.’
This connected Tumblety to Brooklyn and this information may have got back to Scotland Yard and promoted Andersons’ cable to Campbell.
This story has Tumblety arrested around 13th November
On 20th November an Associated Press story was sent stating:
‘A man was arrested here Monday in connection with the Whitechapel crimes. He gave his name as Dr. Tumblety, of New York. He could not be held on suspicion, but the police succeeded in getting himself under the special law passed soon after the "Modern Babylon" exposures.’
This story has Tumblety arrested on 19th November.
The report masks the true nature of Tumbety’s arrest by use the ‘Modern Babylon’ disguise.
We have the Boston Herald reporting on 25th November:
‘When the London police arrested him (Tumblety) the other day on suspicion of being the murderer he said that he belonged in New York. The police found that they could not get enough evidence against him to hold him for trial, but they succeeded in getting some sort of a charge sufficient to hold him under one of the special laws passed after the "modern Babylon" exposures, which created so much excitement a couple of years ago. The doctor's identity was for a time concealed after his arrest, but the police, who took the liberty of hunting up his lodgings and ransacking his private effects, discovered easily who he was, and they say that he has been in the habit of making two trips yearly to this side of the water.’
So he was arrested ‘the other day’ as of 25th November. That could hardly mean prior to 7th November.
The police identified Tumblety (whose identity was known as of 7th November remember) by ransacking his lodgings.
The report masks the true nature of Tumbety’s arrest by use the ‘Modern Babylon’ disguise.
There is a consistency that the supposed date of Tumblety’s ‘Ripper’ arrest post-dates the Gross Indecency arrest.
Also there is consistency in that Tumblety had to be identified somehow – either by his letters or by ransacking his lodgings. This makes no sense as the Police knew who he was as of 7th November.
The reports mask the true reason for Tumblety’s arrest by use of the ‘modern Babylon’ subterfuge.
When the timings of these reports is borne in mind – immediately prior to Tumbety’s flight when he would not have known whether he was going to be sentenced there and then, I think we can be pretty certain that Tumblety himself was responsible for disseminating misinformation among the US press corps in London.Comment
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Hi Dave and Cog,Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
To momentarily go onto a tangent here: I have several hobbies, including autographs, coins, and stamps. One other one is postcard collecting. While I don't concentrate on the postal zones (except to note the amount of stamps used on an old postcard for the distance), I find it an interesting hobby because of the pictures (photos or drawings) on the cards, the stamps used, and the written information on the cards. Frequently (as the cards I get seem to be from visitors to New York City) there will be references to shows from the past (such as seeing "South Pacific" or "Oklahoma" or earlier "The Prince of Pilsen" - an 1903 or so operetta) and occasionally a reference of a site of some future object of disaster (one of the writers was the doomed U. S. zeppelin "Shenandoah" over in New Jersey - a year before her tragic destruction in a thunderstorm in Ohio). As a source of social history they cannot be dismissed. Unfortunately I have yet to have anything earlier than 1903.
Not bad for a "colonial" whose great grandfather Isaac came from Birmingham, England.
Now back to Doc Tumblety.
Yours,
JeffComment
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What is a "tripe dresser"? "Tripe" I thought was "sweetbreads" (intestines and such) that are eaten. They have to be specially prepared (which I take means "dressed")? Perhaps washed out for safe consumption? Can anyone (who is a gourmet) explain this.
JeffComment
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And I am still curious that if Tumblety is definitely defined as having violated the laws on sexual behavior created in the wake of the "Modern Babylon" incident of 1885, did William T. Stead ever make a comment in the Pall Mall Gazette regarding the arrest, release, and escape of Doc T.?Comment
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It would be interesting to closely read the Pall Mall Gazette for the whole period to see if there is any sort of tangential reference at all.Comment
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Hi Jeff
Tripe or Tripes are basically foodstuffs prepared from the stomach or stomachs of farm animals (for example the first two or three stomachs in the case of cows)....Pig stomachs are another source. They have to be cleaned and treated before becoming fit to eat (hence Tripe Dressers)...
Historically one of the cheaper forms of nutrition (brains and trotters were other less than fashionable meals) I can assure you that, whilst tasty if prepared well, they do need accustomising to...first time I tried tripe (back in the 70s) I suffered next day!
Consumption of tripe is rare these days...not even sure if it's still legal
Sweetbreads (or throatbreads) are something else entirely - these I love...truly...they're bloody gorgeous floured and fried...but sadly I've not been able to get any locally now for nearly twenty years...
Cheers
DaveComment
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Can anyone point me to research that establishes Tumblety's hatred of women? Many thanks for your help.Comment
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I was passing the other day…
The Magistrates Court is now a hotel.Comment
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Tumblety as the ripper is hard to swallow. I base my opinion on the very small time window for the Mitre Square murder. Eddowes would have had to discard her existing client who clearly wasn't over six feet tall and then immediately hook up with Tumblety. Who after killing her then exits in the direction of Whitechapel as evidenced by the section of discarded apron. Very unlikely I would say at least for that particular murder.
SnapperComment
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G'day Snapper
Why did she have to "hook up" with anyone, why couldn't he simply have attacked after the client left?Originally posted by The Snapper View Post
But I agree Tumblety is an interesting study but, in my opinion, not as Jack.G U T
There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
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"Why did she have to "hook up" with anyone, why couldn't he simply have attacked after the client left?"
Just not enough time.
SnapperComment
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Not enough time for what?G U T
There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true. Comment
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