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  • The London Source and Scotland Yard

    Hi all,

    Francis Tumblety paid bail and was released from jail at the West End Marlborough Street Courthouse on November 16, 1888. On November 17, 1888, The New York World Cable Service sent out a news cable, which was picked up by the San Francisco Chronicle on 18 November 1888:

    San Francisco Chronicle, 18 November 1888,
    A Heavy Swell Arrested in Whitechapel.
    A Score of Prisoners, but No Clew.
    [THE NEW YORK WORLD CABLE SERVICE; COPYRIGHTED, 1888 - SPECIAL TO THE CHRONICLE]
    LONDON, November 17.

    …Another arrest was a man who gave the name of Dr. Kumblety of New York. The police could not hold him on suspicion of the Whitechapel crimes, but he will be committed for trial at the Central Criminal Court under the special law passed soon after the Modern Babylon exposures. The police say this is the man's right name, as proved by letters in his possession; that he is from New York, and that he has been in the habit of crossing the ocean twice a year for several years.
    A score of other men have been arrested by the police this week on suspicion of being the murderer, but the right man still roams at large…


    Prior to the London cable course picking up the story - most likely at Marlborough Street Court – absolutely no one on the planet earth knew of any connection between Francis Tumblety and the Jack the Ripper murders.


    …accept Scotland Yard.


    Since almost everyone now accepts that Francis Tumblety was at least a minimal Ripper suspect (so the London cable source actually got this part right), note that the source clearly stated he was arrested FIRST on suspicion of the Whitechapel crimes and it was only an AFTER-thought to hold him for gross indecency. The source claims to have spoken to ‘The police’ and this source was absolutely correct on the next factoid –letters Tumblety always had on his person.

    If the London source made up the idea of Tumblety being arrested because of the Whitechapel killings, then why was the source dead on correct specific to Tumblety’s habit of having in his possession letters? He could not have guessed this. Thus, we all can be confident that the London cable source spoke directly to police about Francis Tumblety and ‘The police’ violated their own policy of silence and gave him information.

    Sincerely,

    Mike
    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

  • #2
    Hi Mike,

    Why was he named to the US press as Kumblety?

    "The police say this is the man's right name, as proved by letters in his possession . . ."

    Was Scotland Yard dyslexic?

    Regards,

    Simon
    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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    • #3
      The police could not hold him on suspicion of the Whitechapel crimes
      Reading between the lines is always fraught with danger but the word 'hold' could be significant. If the police wish to keep someone in custody, but have insufficient evidence to support a charge they can, and sometimes do, make use of a holding charge (for a matter on which there is sufficient evidence) while other matters are investigated. That may be what's happened here - the police have charged Tumblety with a lesser matter which they think they can prove, only for the magistrate at Marlborough Street to release Tumblety on what seems to have been a cash bail surety. In the modern age I would expect a foreign national, similarly charged, to have to surrender his passport, but I don't know if that was an option available to the court in the 19th century. (Perhaps Monty does - he said hopefully!)

      Regards, Bridewell.
      I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
        Hi Mike,

        Why was he named to the US press as Kumblety?

        "The police say this is the man's right name, as proved by letters in his possession . . ."

        Was Scotland Yard dyslexic?

        Regards,

        Simon
        Hi Simon,

        Why are you so sure the source of the 'Kumblety' mistake was not the act of transmitting the cable news?
        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
          Reading between the lines is always fraught with danger but the word 'hold' could be significant. If the police wish to keep someone in custody, but have insufficient evidence to support a charge they can, and sometimes do, make use of a holding charge (for a matter on which there is sufficient evidence) while other matters are investigated. That may be what's happened here - the police have charged Tumblety with a lesser matter which they think they can prove, only for the magistrate at Marlborough Street to release Tumblety on what seems to have been a cash bail surety. In the modern age I would expect a foreign national, similarly charged, to have to surrender his passport, but I don't know if that was an option available to the court in the 19th century. (Perhaps Monty does - he said hopefully!)

          Regards, Bridewell.
          Hi Bridewell,

          I say we should keep that thought for August when Trevor's article comes out. I hear this stuff is involved.

          Sincerely,

          Mike
          The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
          http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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          • #6
            Hi Mike,

            I'm not sure.

            I just enjoy giving you and your Tumblety cohorts a hard time.

            Regards,

            Simon
            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
              Hi Mike,

              I'm not sure.

              I just enjoy giving you and your Tumblety cohorts a hard time.

              Regards,

              Simon
              Hi Simon,

              No problam at all. Any time you post on a thread of mine and work me over, views pop over a hundred.

              Sincerely,
              Mike
              The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
              http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                I just enjoy giving you and your Tumblety cohorts a hard time.
                The Henny Yumblety (click) of Ripperdom

                Bring your fiddle?

                Roy
                Sink the Bismark

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Roy Corduroy View Post
                  The Henny Yumblety (click) of Ripperdom

                  Bring your fiddle?

                  Roy
                  Now, that was awesome!
                  The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                  http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                  • #10
                    Just to repeat the point, not only did the news cable source in London (most like stationed at Marlborough Street Court) that broke the story about Tumblety getting arrested for the Whitechapel killings state he received info from 'The police' but the information was absolutely correct, AND it would not have been information the cable source would have known about. By the way, we do know Detectives Dinnie and Froest were there.

                    Sincerely,

                    Mike
                    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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