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    Greetings all,

    One argument against Francis Tumblety being considered a serious JTR suspect by Scotland Yard officials is that absolutely no British papers mention him, yet at the same time US papers were touting it. This argument also led to the argument that US papers were merely practicing sensationalism.
    Even though Chief Inspector Littlechild’s letter corroborated the US papers’ claim, many either argued Littlechild had little to do with the murders, thus, his opinion is irrelevant.

    If we accept that Tumblety was considered a serious suspect who embarrassingly slipped through Scotland Yard’s fingers, then why did the British Press not mention him? Even if Scotland Yard purposely held the Tumblety information away from them surely the British source for the US papers was accessible to them, as well. Jonathan Hainesworth has pointed out that the British papers feared liability if they used the name of an American in such a manner, but the US Constitution protected the US papers. He states in another thread, “Francis Tumblety could not be named in the British press, or identified without attendant risk of a libel suit down the track. When the affluent, under-employed, dodgy doctor spectacularly resurfaced for the public in 1898 he was libel-proofed against any such trouble -- he was even implied to be English.”


    Well, it is not true that Tumblety was never mentioned by the British papers. The following article is from the Eastern Morning News, Hull, England, January 2, 1889 (courtesy of Mike Covell):

    “Inspector Andrews of Scotland yard (the Daily Telegraph’s correspondent says) has arrived in New York from Montreal. It is generally believed that he has received orders from England to commence his search in this city for the Whitechapel murderer. Mr. Andrews is reported to have said that there are half a dozen English detectives, two clerks, and one inspector employed in America in the same chase. Ten days ago Andrews brought hither from England Roland Gideon Israel Barnet, charged with helping to wreck the Central Bank, Toronto; and since his arrival he has received orders which will keep him in America for some time. The supposed inaction of the Whitechapel murderer for a considerable period, and the fact that a man suspected of knowing a good deal about this series of crimes left England for this side of the Atlantic three weeks ago, has produced the impression that “Jack the Ripper” is in America. Irish Nationalists pretend that the inspector is hunting up certain evidence to be given before the Parnell Commisson.”

    Sure, Tumblety’s name is not mentioned but it is clearly him. For me, the most interesting aspect of this article is that they did not use his name even though they easily had access to this information. That’s odd for a paper, since this would have been interesting information …unless the argument Jonathan has expressed is correct.

    Sincerely,
    Mike
    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

  • #2
    nice

    Hello Mike. Very nice work.

    I presume there is no possibility that this was first published in an American paper?

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #3
      Hi Mike,

      Inspector Andrews, who never went anywhere near New York, was in mid-Atlantic when this story appeared.

      Here's another, subtly different, version of the same story.

      Thanet Advertiser (Kent UK), 5th January 1889—

      THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERS

      According to a New York correspondent Inspector Andrews, said to be of Scotland Yard, has arrived in New York from Montreal. It is generally believed, so the correspondent says, that the inspector has received orders from England to commence his search in that city for the Whitechapel murderer. Mr. Andrews is reported to have said that there half a dozen English detectives, two clerks, and one inspector employed in America in the same chase. A few days ago Andrews took thither from England, Roland Gideon Israel Barnet, charged with helping to wreck the Central bank, Toronto, and since his arrival he has received orders which will keep him in America for some time. The supposed inaction of the Whitechapel murderer for a considerable period and the fact that a man suspected of knowing a good deal about this series of crimes left England for the other side of the Atlantic three weeks ago has produced the impression there that the murderer is in America. Possibly - but it is doubtful if Scotland Yard is of the same belief. The Irish American Nationalists suggest that the inspector is not in search of the Whitechapel murderer, but is hunting up evidence for the Parnell Commission.

      Regards,

      Simon
      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mklhawley View Post
        Greetings all,

        One argument against Francis Tumblety being considered a serious JTR suspect by Scotland Yard officials is that absolutely no British papers mention him, yet at the same time US papers were touting it. This argument also led to the argument that US papers were merely practicing sensationalism.
        Even though Chief Inspector Littlechild’s letter corroborated the US papers’ claim, many either argued Littlechild had little to do with the murders, thus, his opinion is irrelevant.

        If we accept that Tumblety was considered a serious suspect who embarrassingly slipped through Scotland Yard’s fingers, then why did the British Press not mention him? Even if Scotland Yard purposely held the Tumblety information away from them surely the British source for the US papers was accessible to them, as well. Jonathan Hainesworth has pointed out that the British papers feared liability if they used the name of an American in such a manner, but the US Constitution protected the US papers. He states in another thread, “Francis Tumblety could not be named in the British press, or identified without attendant risk of a libel suit down the track. When the affluent, under-employed, dodgy doctor spectacularly resurfaced for the public in 1898 he was libel-proofed against any such trouble -- he was even implied to be English.”


        Well, it is not true that Tumblety was never mentioned by the British papers. The following article is from the Eastern Morning News, Hull, England, January 2, 1889 (courtesy of Mike Covell):

        “Inspector Andrews of Scotland yard (the Daily Telegraph’s correspondent says) has arrived in New York from Montreal. It is generally believed that he has received orders from England to commence his search in this city for the Whitechapel murderer. Mr. Andrews is reported to have said that there are half a dozen English detectives, two clerks, and one inspector employed in America in the same chase. Ten days ago Andrews brought hither from England Roland Gideon Israel Barnet, charged with helping to wreck the Central Bank, Toronto; and since his arrival he has received orders which will keep him in America for some time. The supposed inaction of the Whitechapel murderer for a considerable period, and the fact that a man suspected of knowing a good deal about this series of crimes left England for this side of the Atlantic three weeks ago, has produced the impression that “Jack the Ripper” is in America. Irish Nationalists pretend that the inspector is hunting up certain evidence to be given before the Parnell Commisson.”

        Sure, Tumblety’s name is not mentioned but it is clearly him. For me, the most interesting aspect of this article is that they did not use his name even though they easily had access to this information. That’s odd for a paper, since this would have been interesting information …unless the argument Jonathan has expressed is correct.

        Sincerely,
        Mike
        Hi Mike

        Howard Brown over at JtR Forums just pointed out a similar report in the Sheffield & Rotherham Independent of December 5, 1888 that would seem to fit what we know about Tumblety, though he is similarly not named.

        Chris
        Christopher T. George
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
          Hi Mike,

          Inspector Andrews, who never went anywhere near New York, was in mid-Atlantic when this story appeared.

          Here's another, subtly different, version of the same story.

          Thanet Advertiser (Kent UK), 5th January 1889—

          THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERS

          According to a New York correspondent Inspector Andrews, said to be of Scotland Yard, has arrived in New York from Montreal. It is generally believed, so the correspondent says, that the inspector has received orders from England to commence his search in that city for the Whitechapel murderer. Mr. Andrews is reported to have said that there half a dozen English detectives, two clerks, and one inspector employed in America in the same chase. A few days ago Andrews took thither from England, Roland Gideon Israel Barnet, charged with helping to wreck the Central bank, Toronto, and since his arrival he has received orders which will keep him in America for some time. The supposed inaction of the Whitechapel murderer for a considerable period and the fact that a man suspected of knowing a good deal about this series of crimes left England for the other side of the Atlantic three weeks ago has produced the impression there that the murderer is in America. Possibly - but it is doubtful if Scotland Yard is of the same belief. The Irish American Nationalists suggest that the inspector is not in search of the Whitechapel murderer, but is hunting up evidence for the Parnell Commission.

          Regards,

          Simon

          Hi Simon,

          Notice how this British paper decided not to name Tumblety, further supporting my point. The fact that Andrews did not make it to NYC is actually irrelevent. Some in the past have assumed that since they got this wrong the whole article is wrong, which is convoluted logic.

          Sincerely,
          The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
          http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
            Hi Mike

            Howard Brown over at JtR Forums just pointed out a similar report in the Sheffield & Rotherham Independent of December 5, 1888 that would seem to fit what we know about Tumblety, though he is similarly not named.

            Chris
            Hi Chris,

            A third example! Now, the problem with Howard Brown's assessments about Francis Tumblety is his tendency to minimalize everything. On another one of his threads he attempted to riducule my discovery of an article which stated Tumbelty was 'in custody'. His argument falls flat (which will be a future thread).

            Mike
            The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
            http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
              Hello Mike. Very nice work.

              I presume there is no possibility that this was first published in an American paper?

              Cheers.
              LC
              Hi Lynn,

              It could very well have been, but this would further reinforce my point that British papers did not want to publish his name. It's obvious they wanted the story because of Inspector Andrews, so they had to mention 'a man'.

              Mike
              The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
              http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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              • #8
                Hi Mike,

                What do you mean, "Notice how this British paper decided not to name Tumblety, further supporting my point"?

                If the two UK newspapers weren't told the suspect's name, they had no choice in the matter.

                And what all this about Inspector Andrews not making it to NYC suddenly being irrelevant?

                It's the very nub of your Tumblety as Ripper suspect argument.

                Regards,

                Simon
                Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                • #9
                  Does Scotland count?

                  THE DUNDEE COURIER & ARGUS
                  Wednesday 26 December 1888


                  IS THIS THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERER!
                  AN EXTRAORDINARY PERSONAGE.
                  A man calling himself Dr Tumblety was arrested some time ago in London on suspicion of being concerned in the perpetration of the Whitechapel murders. The police, being unable to procure the necessary evidence against him in connection therewith, decided to hold him for trial for another offence against a statute which was passed shortly after the publication in the Pall Mall Gazette of “The Maiden Tribune.” and as a direct consequence thereof Dr Tumblety was committed for trial and liberated on bail, two gentlemen coming forward to act as bondsmen in the amount of £300. The last seen of him was at Havre, and it is taken for granted that he has sailed for New York. The man is declared by U.S. papers to be well known for his eccentricities. William P. Burr, of 320 Broadway, speaking of the man, said :- “The English authorities, who are no telegraphing for samples of his writing from San Francisco, ought to get them in any city in Europe. I had a big batch of letters sent by him to the young man Lyon, and they were the most amusing farrago of illiterate nonsense. Here is one written from the West. He never failed to warn his correspondent against lewd women, and in doing it used the most shocking language. I do not know how he made his money. My own idea of the Whitechapel case is that it would be just such a thing as Tumblety would be concerned in; but he might get one of his victims to do the work, for once he had a young man under his control he seemed to be able to do anything with the victim.” Col. C. A. Dunham, a well known lawyer, who lives near Fairview, N.J., was intimately acquainted with Tumblety for many years, and in his own mind had long connected him with the Whitechapel horror. “The man’s real name,” said the lawyer, “is Tumblety. With Francis for a Christian name. I have here a book published by him a number of years ago, describing some of his strange adventures and wonderful cures - all lies, of course - in which the name ‘Francis Tumblety. M.D..’ appears. When, to my knowledge of the man’s history, his idiosyncracies, his revolting practice, his antipathy to women (and especially to fallen women), his anatomical museum, containing many specimens like those carved from the Whitechapel victims - when, to my knowledge on these subjects, there added the fact of his arrest on suspicion of being the murderer, there appears to me nothing improbable in the suggestion that Tumblety is the culprit. He is not a doctor. A more arrant charlatan and quack never fastened on the hopes and fears of afflicted humanity. I first made the fellow’s acquaintance a few days after the first battle of Bull Run. The fellow was everywhere. I never saw anything so nearly approaching ubiquity. Go where you would, to any of the hotels, to the War Department or the Navy Yard, you were sure to find the ‘doctor.’ He had no business in either place, but he went there to impress the officers whom he would meet. He professed to have had an extensive experience in European hospitals and armies, and claimed to have diplomas from the foremost medical colleges of the Old World and the New. At length it was whispered about that he was an adventurer. One day my Lieutenant Colonel and myself accepted the ‘doctor’s’ invitation to a late dinner - symposium, he called it - at his room. He had very cosy and tastefully furnished quarters in, I believe, H, Street. Some one asked why he had not invited any women to his dinner. His face instantly became as black as a thunder cloud. He had a pack of cards in his hand, but he laid them down and said, almost savagely - No, Colonel, I don’t know any such cattle, and if I did, I would, as your friend, sooner give you a dose of quick poison than take you into such danger. He then broke into a homily on the sin and folly of dissipation, fiercely denounced all women, and especially fallen women. Then he invited us into his office, where he illustrated his lecture, so to speak. One side of the room was entirely occupied with cases, outwardly resembling wardrobes. When the doors were opened quite a museum was revealed - tiers of shelves with glass jars and cases, some round and others square, filled with all sorts of anatomical specimens. The ‘doctor’ placed on the table a dozen or more jars containing as he said the matrices of every class of woman. Nearly a half of one of these cases was occupied exclusively with these specimens. Not long after this the ‘doctor’ was in my room when my Lieutenant Colonel came in and commenced expatiating on the charms of a certain woman. In a moment almost the ‘doctor’ was lecturing him and denouncing women. When he was asked why he hated women, he said that when quite a young man he fell desperately in love with a pretty girl, rather his senior, who promised to reciprocate his affection. After a brief courtship he married her. The honeymoon was not over when he noticed a disposition on the part of his wife to flirt with other men. He remonstrated, she kissed him, called him a dear jealous fool - and he believed her. Happening one day to pass a cab through the worst part of town, he saw his wife and a man enter a gloomy-looking house. Then he learned that before her marriage his wife had been an inmate of that and many similar houses. Then he gave up all womankind. Shortly after telling this story the ‘doctor’s’ real character became known, and he shipped away to St Louis, where he was arrested for wearing the uniform of an army surgeon. Tumblety would do almost anything under heaven for notoriety, and, although his notoriety in Washington was of a kind to turn people from him, it brought some to him.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                    Hi Mike,

                    What do you mean, "Notice how this British paper decided not to name Tumblety, further supporting my point"?

                    If the two UK newspapers weren't told the suspect's name, they had no choice in the matter.

                    And what all this about Inspector Andrews not making it to NYC suddenly being irrelevant?

                    It's the very nub of your Tumblety as Ripper suspect argument.

                    Regards,

                    Simon
                    Hi Simon,

                    Notice the dates of these articles. The British investigative reporters would suck if they didn't know about Tumblety.

                    Andrews not making it to NYC has absolutely nothing to do with the Tumblety/Ripper suspect argument. Andrews' intentions were always to stay in Canada. He was not 'chasing' Tumblety. Just because they messed up that point does not ruin the credibility of the entire article. Besides, my point deals with Tumblety's name not being mentioned.

                    Mike
                    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                    • #11
                      Hi Mike,

                      What British investigative reporters?

                      The Hull and Thanet newspapers were sent the stories from a press agency as column fillers.

                      Regards,

                      Simon
                      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                        Hi Mike,

                        What British investigative reporters?

                        The Hull and Thanet newspapers were sent the stories from a press agency as column fillers.

                        Regards,

                        Simon
                        Hi Simon,

                        You are correct on the Hull, but notice it received the info from the Daily Telegraph. I just found a few nineteenth century comments about investigative reporting with them. I'll post it if you'd like.

                        Mike
                        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
                          Does Scotland count?

                          THE DUNDEE COURIER & ARGUS
                          Wednesday 26 December 1888


                          IS THIS THE WHITECHAPEL MURDERER!
                          AN EXTRAORDINARY PERSONAGE.
                          A man calling himself Dr Tumblety was arrested some time ago in London on suspicion of being concerned in the perpetration of the Whitechapel murders. ..., it brought some to him.”
                          Hi Rob,

                          The Dundee Courier & Argus , the same newspaper that in 1861 stated it would give a ready advocacy to sound Liberalism both at home and abroad.” I'm sure the Tories loved it.

                          Sincerely,

                          Mike
                          The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                          http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                          • #14
                            The same article from the Eastern Morning News, 2 January, 1889, in post #1 also appeared in the Belfast News Letter, Thursday, 3 January,1889, and the Ipswich Journal, Friday, 4 January, 1889, as well as some others. This news wasn't, therefore, reported in only one British newspaper as was originally thought.

                            There was a theory put forth on the boards a while back, I don't remember whose exactly, that the "man suspect of knowing a good deal about this series of crimes [who] left England for this side of the Atlantic three weeks ago" was actually referring to Inspector Andrews or possibly Shore or Jarvis and not Tumblety.

                            In 1890 Tumblety's name once more appeared in a British newspaper in connection with the Whitechapel Murders:

                            A “JACK THE RIPPER” SUSPECTED.

                            WASHINGTON, WEDNESDAY.
                            Dr. Francis Tumblety, who was at one time suspected of being “Jack the Ripper,” has been committed to gaol as a suspicious character. Many valuables were found on him at the time of his arrest.
                            The Western Mail (Cardiff, Wales) 20 November, 1890.

                            And again after his death in 1903:

                            A “RIPPER” ECHO.

                            Dr. Francis Tumblety died recently in the Charity Hospital at St. Louis. A remarkable incident in his career was his arrest on the suspicion that he was “Jack the Ripper.” On another occasion he was accused of complicity in a plot to infest the North with yellow fever during the Civil War. Dr. Tumblety left a fortune of over 27,000l.
                            Lloyds Weekly News, 28 June, 1903.

                            Wolf.

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                            • #15
                              Wolf,

                              Even though I'm a pain to you, you've forgotten more stuff than I will probably ever know. I would love to know more about the Jarvis and Shore info. I know Simon has research it.

                              Mike
                              The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                              http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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