Francis Thompson and the Jack the Ripper Pattern Murder.

[GUT]

Ahh Neddy.

[MayBea]

[GUT]

VP - Vesica Pisces or Piscis

I know now you aren't fish heads or "almond" heads. By rights, I thought I should have found some easily, just to prove my point. Hard to explain...

Anyway, you're more 'square-heads'. You know what I mean!

Thanks for the VP clarification.

But Square heads? Now I am confused

[MayBea]

VP - Vesica Pisces or Piscis

I know now you aren't fish heads or "almond" heads. By rights, I thought I should have found some easily, just to prove my point. Hard to explain...

Anyway, you're more 'square-heads'. You know what I mean!

[GUT]

It took me a couple of hours but I finally found an Australian criminal with a VP, at least a VP in the logo of his church affiliation. Of course, it's an American church.

Aussies seem to be different geo-politically (that's geographically and geometrically!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Michael_Rohan

Sorry I'm not sure what you mean.

A "VP"?

And how so geo-politically different?

Yes Aussies are different, but not sure what you are saying.

I know I'm thick.

[MayBea]

!

,,,I was taught to be honest and when I sw BS call it BS, not sweet fertilizer.

It took me a couple of hours but I finally found an Australian criminal with a VP, at least a VP in the logo of his church affiliation. Of course, it's an American church.

Aussies seem to be different geo-politically (that's geographically and geometrically!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Michael_Rohan

[Richard Patterson]

Richard,

Thank you for the chronology. I must admit I was hoping for a few more dates and something that explicitly links Thompson to Whitechapel in late '88.

I'm not sure what point you are making about the Nichols murder. Are you suggesting that Neil, Thain and Mizen were walking unfamiliar beats that night?

Gary

Whitechapel was an area normally covered by H Division police. PC Mizen was from H division, but because of the dock fire both PC Neil & PC Thain were called in from Bethnal Green's J Division. The routes patrolled by PC Neil and PC Thain were unfamiliar to them. Even PC Mizen might have been switched from his regular beat that night.

[Richard Patterson]

Excuse me if I ask a kind of unrelated question Mr. Patterson, but by any chance was Thompson acquainted with any of the few then published poems of Gerald Manley Hopkins? Hopkins, as you may know, died in 1889. Most of his poetry did not get published until the 1920s, but some poems (including, I believe, "The Wreck of the Deutschland") were published in his lifetime.

Jeff

I don't believe he became acquainted with the works of Hokins until after 1894. Thompson became familiar with the works of Hopkins through his friendship with Coventry Patmore. Although Thompson did not chance to meet Hopkins he did review one at least one poem of Hopkins called 'Heaven Haven'. This short lyric poem was published as part of an anthology of verse published in 1902.

[Richard Patterson]

Thankyou Richard, so the issue is, what was Meynell's source, and how accurate was it?
Fair enough.

The Meynell's source is solely the Meynells. My pure guess is that if there was a 'hospital' it was in actuality the Meynell home. With Thompson cared for a family doctor. In that case. Thompson could have come and gone as he pleased.

[Mayerling]

Excuse me if I ask a kind of unrelated question Mr. Patterson, but by any chance was Thompson acquainted with any of the few then published poems of Gerald Manley Hopkins? Hopkins, as you may know, died in 1889. Most of his poetry did not get published until the 1920s, but some poems (including, I believe, "The Wreck of the Deutschland") were published in his lifetime.

Jeff

[Wickerman]

That Thompson was in any hospital is hearsay by Wilfrid Meynell. No biographer has found any proof he was in a hospital. No details were ever given, including the name of the hospital, his dates of entry and leaving, or his attending doctor. If he was placed in hospital it would probably be between the middle of November 1888 until the end of December.

Thankyou Richard, so the issue is, what was Meynell's source, and how accurate was it?
Fair enough.

[GUT]

Hi Gut,
Is it necessary to be so rude? It's one thing to make an enquiry if one is interested enough, but quite another to be openly hostile. I, myself, have brought this subject up to Richard, politely.
My mother always taught me that if you have nothing polite to say, say nothing at all :-)

Amanda

Well you see Amanda I too had raised with Richard multiple times that he was taking a good suspect and layering him in BS, he chose to ignore those comments.

As for your perception that I am rude, you are welcome to it.

I must have been raised different to you as I was taught to be honest and when I sw BS call it BS, not sweet fertilizer.

If you don't lke my posts or tone, you are welcome to ignore them.

[Dane_F]

Just to clarify a few things. I've been here a lot longer than since last year. My original posts date back to before the server crash if I'm not mistaken. At least as far back as 01-03. I simply took a break from the casebook since I was in high school and eventually college and felt satisfied with my knowledge at the time. Over the years I forgot my log in information and would only read and not post. Tom's book is what caused me to start posting again.

Also, when I said "until recent he wasn't on my radar" I meant as far as being a viable suspect that I thought had a shot. It was in the plethora of 3/5 posts that I started noticing and really reading about him.

As far this thread goes it seems clear Richard wants to proceed with this line of reasoning. That's certainly fine for him to do. I hope though you understand Richard it just pushes others away.

I tried my best to pay a compliment to your suspect Richard. He is one of the few I see as viable. Please understand not posting =/= ignoring. However, If you are upset others have not posted in your other more sensible threads, never fear, I will also abstain from posting in this one as well. I certainly wouldn't want to add importance to this one as I think it is the one that should be ignored. That must surely be your goal with have you have responded to us.

[Amanda Sumner]

Yawn!

Nobody loves me.

Your Triangles are another mans arrows, so WHAT.

Saint Days Triangles, didn't someone else recently tie it all into Michaelmas.

Hi Gut,
Is it necessary to be so rude? It's one thing to make an enquiry if one is interested enough, but quite another to be openly hostile. I, myself, have brought this subject up to Richard, politely.
My mother always taught me that if you have nothing polite to say, say nothing at all :-)

Amanda

[MrBarnett]

Richard,

Thank you for the chronology. I must admit I was hoping for a few more dates and something that explicitly links Thompson to Whitechapel in late '88.

I'm not sure what point you are making about the Nichols murder. Are you suggesting that Neil, Thain and Mizen were walking unfamiliar beats that night?

Gary