Francis Thompson and the Jack the Ripper Pattern Murder.

[Richard Patterson]

I advice looking into the subtly of this theory. It's not that you could make any symbol you wanted to using the murder points. It's that we have in Francis Thompson the most likely suspect to think of doing so. When we look for his most central and sacred symbol on the map, it can be found by using his premise that over time people worshiped in different directions.

[Harry D]

This is silly. You could dot any series of murders across a small area and interpret some kind of pattern out of them. The only way I could see this as remotely possible is if JTR had been targetting victims specifically in their homes. That wasn't the case, however. Most of the victims just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Think of all the variables involved for this to happen and you'll quickly realize it's implausible.

[GUT]

The layout points actually correspond quite closely to the Southern Cross constellation.

Maybe JtR was an Aussie.

Point being, if you wanna prove something, you can inkblot any set of points in almost any pattern to suit.

Proof that it was Deeming perhaps.

[Ausgirl]

The layout points actually correspond quite closely to the Southern Cross constellation.

Maybe JtR was an Aussie.

Point being, if you wanna prove something, you can inkblot any set of points in almost any pattern to suit.

[Richard Patterson]

To me the distance between each murder were not as important as the directions that Ripper headed. The Vesica Pisces pattern that I attribute to the Ripper murders. The Vesica Pisces is traditionally depicted in the horizontal position as it is sometimes represented as a fish or the infinity symbol. The figure 8 shown in the map I have given is the Vesica in the vertical stance. I believe that this was intended. Like some have tried to show an inverted cross superimposed on the map to indicate a pervasion of the holy sign, the toppled Vesica toppled is the anti-Vesica.

The inclusion of Stride’s murder location is done because I’m not in the habit of excluding the murder of Stride as some are in the habit of doing merely because it fits outside the framework of my theory. To me there is enough about the details of her injuries and the positioning of the body to keep her within the Canonical five, apart from I think is the far-fetched idea that another murder thought to commit crimes in the police hotspot where everyone was on heightened alert. I do not think there are many suspects that held store in sacred symbols and geometry.

Thompson certainly saw the ‘magical’ properties of compass bearings in relation to worship and ritual. Beginning in 1894, Thompson in lengthy written correspondence expressed an abiding interest in this subject and the powers claimed by directions of the compass,

‘On the matter of the ' North ' note that verse, 'Promotion cometh not from the South, nor the East, nor the West.' That is, it cometh from the North. The North seems always to signify the original Godhead, the' Father '-or the Devil'...This honouring of the' North 'may very likely have been at the bottom of the seeking of the points of the compass from that quarter…the North represents the simple Divine virility, the South the Divine womanhood, the East their synthesis in the Holy Spirit and the West the pure natural womanhood' full of grace…I wanted to know if there had been any actual progressive development among the nations with regard to the quarters in which they worshipped-as an historic fact, apart from symbolic meaning.’

[MayBea]

Math and geometry is one of the easiest ways to incorporate some type of science into your theory. In some ways, it's like adding advanced math to astrology.

I don't think Richard has narrowed the field down to one suspect, but perhaps a handful or two, who might exhibit some type of interest or skill, like geometric math, indicating or translating into navigational ability.

Doesn't his observation that Jack may have had some sort of inner GPS system, narrow the field down among men, at least?

[MayBea]

What I think Richard is trying to say, or should be saying, is that Jack took a figure 8 path to plot his "vesica piscis".

The points appear equidistant, except for the 5th murder. Mary Kelly lived at a fixed point and may not fit the geometry because of the different nature of the crime in his "master plan" and perhaps a different relationship to the victim.

[Ausgirl]

I'm sorry. But the "figure 8" you've drawn that apparently depicts JtR's path (assuming he did indeed kill Stride) looks **nothing** like a vesica piscis. It's not even close.

And were the points you've includrd that other shape equidistant?

[Richard Patterson]

You'll probably like this link, Richard. It actually has a link to an article that quotes Thompson and shows an animated vesica pisces symbol in 3Dd!

https://urbanshakedowns.wordpress.co...ncis-thompson/

I'm liking your "isosceles" triangles united in a "figure 8" pattern. It's impossible not to be impressed at the almost precisely equal distances between murder scenes 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4.

Thank you for the link. The little animation is instructive of the possibilities of the figure eight when brought into the 3rd dimension and I guess the 4th as a it revolves through time. As you know I account for the 5 murder locations as points in the make-up of the Vesica Pisces. The sacred-geometry of this symbol was attractive to Thompson. You may be interested in the great store he placed in the number 5 also, in relation to numerology. Here is a little he wrote on that number. I found this researching his notes in the Burns Library, Boston College.

‘five among the ancients was called the number of Justice as “justly” dividing the digits & for mathematical reasons...Also that they called it the conjugal number; because resolvable into 2 & 3, parity and imparity the active & passive digits, the material & formal principles “in generative Societies” five wise and foolish virgins, Romans allowed but five torches in their nuptial solemnities.. The most generative animals created on the fifth day. In kabala, the fifth letter of the Hebrew alphabet is the character of generation.’

[MayBea]

Antipodal triangles are to do with 3 dimensional geometry and not 2.

You'll probably like this link, Richard. It actually has a link to an article that quotes Thompson and shows an animated vesica pisces symbol in 3Dd!

https://urbanshakedowns.wordpress.co...ncis-thompson/

I'm liking your "isosceles" triangles united in a "figure 8" pattern. It's impossible not to be impressed at the almost precisely equal distances between murder scenes 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4.

[Richard Patterson]

Both images were from posthumous symbols and one of the copies of the volume of Works has the wreath and crown of thorns combined into one circle symbol.

The theory of a possible geometric pattern is valid, in my opinion, so I agree with the direction your taking us. I'm just pointing out that there are different interpretations and associations I can't agree with.

Antipodal triangles are part of spherical geometry. That's 3 dimensions, not 2. But it does show an interest in geometric concepts and sacred geometry.

Your right on all points. I don't think there was a book by Thompson published before his death in 1907 that show the Vesica Pisces. Antipodal triangles are to do with 3 dimensional geometry and not 2.

[MayBea]

Both images were from posthumous symbols and one of the copies of the volume of Works has the wreath and crown of thorns combined into one circle symbol.

The theory of a possible geometric pattern is valid, in my opinion, so I agree with the direction your taking us. I'm just pointing out that there are different interpretations and associations I can't agree with.

Antipodal triangles are part of spherical geometry. That's 3 dimensions, not 2. But it does show an interest in geometric concepts and sacred geometry.

[Richard Patterson]

Here is an image to illustrate how the Pattern of Murder is arrived at. A toppled Vesica Pisces.

[Richard Patterson]

Do Thompson's book cover and his tombstone have the full Vesica Pisces or just the mandorla or almond-shape?

The VP theory in Ripperology is what led to Tom Wescott to be the first in 70 years to identify the signature on the Lindbergh ransom note. http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...l?printer=true

Even if you don't believe in the two rings at the Chapman scene, there were two pills, which I believe were probably round. The Son of Sam also had a similar symbol which seems to be endemic to certain types of criminals as trout to fresh water lakes, although I would differentiate between the 'Christian' fish symbol and the fish bladder.

Major Henry Smith, of the City Police, concurred with the "Daily Telegraph's" report that next to the body of Annie Chapman were found some brightly polished coins. (these I believe were reported to be lying against each other.)

Here are my photos MayBea, from my FaceBook book group, that show the Vesica Pisces on Thompson's grave and on his books. The symbol, as a figure eight, created by the murder pattern is the toppled Vesica.

[MayBea]

Do Thompson's book cover and his tombstone have the full Vesica Pisces or just the mandorla or almond-shape?

The VP theory in Ripperology is what led to Tom Wescott to be the first in 70 years to identify the signature on the Lindbergh ransom note. http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...l?printer=true

Even if you don't believe in the two rings at the Chapman scene, there were two pills, which I believe were probably round. The Son of Sam also had a similar symbol which seems to be endemic to certain types of criminals as trout to fresh water lakes, although I would differentiate between the 'Christian' fish symbol and the fish bladder.