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  • GBinOz
    Assistant Commissioner
    • Jun 2021
    • 3150

    #286
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    From Walsh, p32.

    “…neighbours remembered the dragging shoelaces of the young man who passed their doors on Stamford Street, and “the quick, short step, the sudden and apparently causeless hesitation or full stop. Then the old, quick pace again, the continued muttered soliloquy, the frail and slight figure.” His erratic walk was emphasised, it appears, by some peculiarity in the gait, which at one time among the small boys of the neighbourhood had earned him the nickname of “Elasticlegs.”

    Can anyone recall any one of the witnesses mentioning this peculiar kind of gait?
    Yes, I do recall a peculiar gait being mentioned. I just don't recall where. Wasn't it suggested that Henry Wentworth BellSmith had a peculiar gait? I seem to recall that a peculiar gait and strange eyes were on Wickerman's list of Ripper attributes. Perhaps it may have been the Bethnal Green Botherer.
    Last edited by GBinOz; Today, 12:14 AM.
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    • Filby
      Detective
      • May 2022
      • 101

      #287
      I'm very much an amateur sleuth here on these forums, but even I know that any one author or scientist who claims to have "finally solved" the JtR case is probably the farthest from it.

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      • Richard Patterson
        Sergeant
        • Mar 2012
        • 610

        #288
        Originally posted by Filby View Post
        I'm very much an amateur sleuth here on these forums, but even I know that any one author or scientist who claims to have "finally solved" the JtR case is probably the farthest from it.
        Filby, I understand the instinct — the Ripper case has been littered with “final solutions” that turned out to be little more than hunches. Skepticism is healthy.

        But what I’m arguing isn’t just a slogan. It’s based on a convergence of hard, documented evidence: six years of medical training under Julius Dreschfeld at Owens College, possession of a dissecting scalpel, documented nights in Whitechapel refuges, obsessive writings about prostitutes, and a police description from Major Henry Smith that Thompson alone matches point-for-point. When you add probability calculations, the odds of anyone else fitting that profile in 1888 London collapse to nearly zero.

        So while most suspect theories rely on a diary, a coincidence, or a clever interpretation, this one rests on verifiable biographical facts that line up with what the police themselves recorded. That’s why I present it with confidence: not because I want to say “case closed” for the sake of it, but because the evidence is strong enough to demand it be taken seriously.
        Author of

        "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

        http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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        • Filby
          Detective
          • May 2022
          • 101

          #289
          Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

          Filby, I understand the instinct — the Ripper case has been littered with “final solutions” that turned out to be little more than hunches. Skepticism is healthy.

          But what I’m arguing isn’t just a slogan. It’s based on a convergence of hard, documented evidence: six years of medical training under Julius Dreschfeld at Owens College, possession of a dissecting scalpel, documented nights in Whitechapel refuges, obsessive writings about prostitutes, and a police description from Major Henry Smith that Thompson alone matches point-for-point. When you add probability calculations, the odds of anyone else fitting that profile in 1888 London collapse to nearly zero.

          So while most suspect theories rely on a diary, a coincidence, or a clever interpretation, this one rests on verifiable biographical facts that line up with what the police themselves recorded. That’s why I present it with confidence: not because I want to say “case closed” for the sake of it, but because the evidence is strong enough to demand it be taken seriously.
          I apologize for being a bit harsh on this, but I did read your list of identifiers for the "data" you correlated. In fact, just looking at this broadly, your independent variables could have fit the three, if not more, primary suspects mentioned in the memorandums, etc. too. You are missing, in my view, the sexual component to these killings. Moreover, if you believe the "Lusk" letter and Goulston Graffito are linked to JtR, which I do, I doubt he was writing essays in his spare time.

          He was medically trained (passed his medical exams, lived with a surgeon, knew dissection techniques).
          → He had a documented history of psychotic violence toward women — including written hatred of prostitutes and dark fantasies of killing them.
          → He lived within 100 metres of the 1888 murder sites.
          → He was an active arsonist and fire-starter — linked to sadistic psychopathy.
          → He wrote essays at the time describing prostitutes as “putrid ulcers,” “blasphemies,” and called for them to be drowned in the Thames.
          → He delighted in reading and writing about the killing of women with blades — even his own play had this as its central scene.
          → His movements align perfectly with the timeline of the murders and

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          • jerryd
            Chief Inspector
            • Feb 2008
            • 1749

            #290
            Lewis,

            Here is the link to the thread in question. My post is based on the research from Chris and I in no way, imply my research in this.

            "Puckeridge" - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums (Post #13 and #14 by Chris)

            Abby,

            was he definitely smiths suspect? he actually never names him, and in tje context it seems he may be talking about one of the medical students, morford even?

            Did you read post #14? notice the reports were initialled by Major Henry Smith. Chris states:

            "Among the surviving City of London CID records at the London Metropolitan Archives are two reports, relating how on 24 September 'Puckridge' had been shadowed from Cheapside to his lodgings in a coffee house in Rupert Street in the West End, and how on the following day two detectives called on the proprietor of the coffee house, who told them that Puckridge had slept there every night for the previous four weeks. The report on how Puckridge was traced to Rupert Street, to which a description of him has been added below, appears to have been initialled by Henry Smith."


            Here is Report 1 on 25 September

            25th Sept. 1888

            I beg to report that in company
            with D. S. Child, I saw Mr. W. Tolfree, Proprietor
            of the Imperial Coffee House, 50 Rupert Street.
            in answer to our Enquiry he informed us that
            the man Puckridge had been Lodging with
            him for the last four weeks, and had slept
            every night in the House. he also said Puckridge
            was Eccentric in his habits and given to Eccessive
            Drinking, and appears to have ample means.

            Fredk. Lawley
            D. S.
            R. Child. D. S.


            Here is Report 2.

            24th Sept. 1888

            P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
            Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
            followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
            to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
            there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
            & P. C. P Smith, he went into Lehmans Confectioners
            London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
            then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
            through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
            the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
            Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
            remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
            out & walked up & down Coventry Street
            then returned to Lockharts remained there about
            ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
            Street for about half an hour, then went into
            a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
            then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
            Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
            and went in at 9.45. P.M. I watched the Place
            till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
            is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.

            25th Sepr.
            1888

            Thomas Benham
            P. C 105


            Also, it seems that he was never actually a surgeon or doctor, but only a chemist. correct?

            A chemist is like a pharmacist and had medical training. If you look at the statement by Major Smith he states his man had been a medical student. The next statement I copied here from Chris is Charles Warrens statement that covers two of Major Smiths points. Puckeridge was educated as a surgeon and released from an asylum on August 4th.

            'Puckeridge' was mentioned in a report by Sir Charles Warren to the Home Office dated 19 September 1888:
            "A man called Puckeridge was released from an asylum on 4 August. He was educated as a Surgeon - has threatened to rip people up with a long knife. He is being looked for but cannot be found as yet."
            [Evans and Skinner, Ultimate Sourcebook, p. 132]


            Now, here is the statement in 1910 from Henry Smith.

            "After the second crime I sent word to Sir Charles Warren that I had discovered a man very likely to be the man wanted. He certainly had all the qualifications requisite. He had been a medical student; he had been in a lunatic asylum; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."
            [Smith, From Constable to Commissioner, p. 147]


            To summarize, look at the dates of the reports. Sept 24th and 25th. Those occurred AFTER the second crime (Annie Chapman). He was a chemist and educated as a surgeon. (Obviously had medical training). AND Sir Charles looked for him but could not find him. Last, he lodged on Rupert Street. What are the chances it is NOT Puckeridge he was talking about?

            Back to you, Richard.






            Last edited by jerryd; Today, 02:19 AM.

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            • Abby Normal
              Commissioner
              • Jun 2010
              • 11968

              #291
              Originally posted by jerryd View Post
              Lewis,

              Here is the link to the thread in question. My post is based on the research from Chris and I in no way, imply my research in this.

              "Puckeridge" - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums (Post #13 and #14 by Chris)

              Abby,

              was he definitely smiths suspect? he actually never names him, and in tje context it seems he may be talking about one of the medical students, morford even?

              Did you read post #14? notice the reports were initialled by Major Henry Smith. Chris states:

              "Among the surviving City of London CID records at the London Metropolitan Archives are two reports, relating how on 24 September 'Puckridge' had been shadowed from Cheapside to his lodgings in a coffee house in Rupert Street in the West End, and how on the following day two detectives called on the proprietor of the coffee house, who told them that Puckridge had slept there every night for the previous four weeks. The report on how Puckridge was traced to Rupert Street, to which a description of him has been added below, appears to have been initialled by Henry Smith."


              Here is Report 1 on 25 September

              25th Sept. 1888

              I beg to report that in company
              with D. S. Child, I saw Mr. W. Tolfree, Proprietor
              of the Imperial Coffee House, 50 Rupert Street.
              in answer to our Enquiry he informed us that
              the man Puckridge had been Lodging with
              him for the last four weeks, and had slept
              every night in the House. he also said Puckridge
              was Eccentric in his habits and given to Eccessive
              Drinking, and appears to have ample means.

              Fredk. Lawley
              D. S.
              R. Child. D. S.


              Here is Report 2.

              24th Sept. 1888

              P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
              Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
              followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
              to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
              there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
              & P. C. P Smith, he went into Lehmans Confectioners
              London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
              then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
              through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
              the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
              Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
              remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
              out & walked up & down Coventry Street
              then returned to Lockharts remained there about
              ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
              Street for about half an hour, then went into
              a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
              then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
              Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
              and went in at 9.45. P.M. I watched the Place
              till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
              is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.

              25th Sepr.
              1888

              Thomas Benham
              P. C 105


              Also, it seems that he was never actually a surgeon or doctor, but only a chemist. correct?

              A chemist is like a pharmacist and had medical training. If you look at the statement by Major Smith he states his man had been a medical student. The next statement I copied here from Chris is Charles Warrens statement that covers two of Major Smiths points. Puckeridge was educated as a surgeon and released from an asylum on August 4th.

              'Puckeridge' was mentioned in a report by Sir Charles Warren to the Home Office dated 19 September 1888:
              "A man called Puckeridge was released from an asylum on 4 August. He was educated as a Surgeon - has threatened to rip people up with a long knife. He is being looked for but cannot be found as yet."
              [Evans and Skinner, Ultimate Sourcebook, p. 132]


              Now, here is the statement in 1910 from Henry Smith.

              "After the second crime I sent word to Sir Charles Warren that I had discovered a man very likely to be the man wanted. He certainly had all the qualifications requisite. He had been a medical student; he had been in a lunatic asylum; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."
              [Smith, From Constable to Commissioner, p. 147]


              To summarize, look at the dates of the reports. Sept 24th and 25th. Those occurred AFTER the second crime (Annie Chapman). He was a chemist and educated as a surgeon. (Obviously had medical training). AND Sir Charles looked for him but could not find him. Last, he lodged on Rupert Street. What are the chances it is NOT Puckeridge he was talking about?

              Back to you, Richard.






              got it thanks jerry!
              "Is all that we see or seem
              but a dream within a dream?"

              -Edgar Allan Poe


              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

              -Frederick G. Abberline

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              • Richard Patterson
                Sergeant
                • Mar 2012
                • 610

                #292
                Originally posted by Filby View Post

                I apologize for being a bit harsh on this, but I did read your list of identifiers for the "data" you correlated. In fact, just looking at this broadly, your independent variables could have fit the three, if not more, primary suspects mentioned in the memorandums, etc. too. You are missing, in my view, the sexual component to these killings. Moreover, if you believe the "Lusk" letter and Goulston Graffito are linked to JtR, which I do, I doubt he was writing essays in his spare time.

                He was medically trained (passed his medical exams, lived with a surgeon, knew dissection techniques).
                → He had a documented history of psychotic violence toward women — including written hatred of prostitutes and dark fantasies of killing them.
                → He lived within 100 metres of the 1888 murder sites.
                → He was an active arsonist and fire-starter — linked to sadistic psychopathy.
                → He wrote essays at the time describing prostitutes as “putrid ulcers,” “blasphemies,” and called for them to be drowned in the Thames.
                → He delighted in reading and writing about the killing of women with blades — even his own play had this as its central scene.
                → His movements align perfectly with the timeline of the murders and
                Filby, I appreciate you pressing the “sexual component” question, because it lets us look straight at what Thompson himself put on paper.

                In Nightmare of the Witch-Babies we meet the “lusty knight” — a figure who doesn’t woo but rends, who rides not toward love but toward desecration. He is conjured in the poem as the scourge of a degenerate world, a knight whose passion is cutting, whose lust is mutilation. It isn’t romantic fantasy. It’s sexualised violence reframed as cleansing — the same twisted impulse we see in the Ripper murders, where the body of a prostitute becomes the text upon which rage and obsession are carved.

                Now place that alongside what Thompson published under the pseudonym “Francis Tancred” in Catholics in Darkest England. Here he writes as a crusader, explicitly borrowing the name of a medieval knight of Jerusalem, and describes London’s streets as a kind of fallen Holy Land, black even in daylight, filled with “girls harlots in the mother’s womb.” He casts himself as one who “unveils secret meanings,” who “diagnoses the disease” of the city, and then — chillingly — declares that “the Assassin has left us a weapon which but needs a little practice to adapt it to the necessity of the day.”

                This is not the language of a gentle poet. This is Thompson self-fashioning as the very “lusty knight” of his verse — a crusader-assassin, licensed in his own mind to cleanse London of corruption. The sexual motive is there, but refracted through a religious and moral lens: prostitutes are not women to him, they are “ulcers,” “blasphemies,” “harlots in the womb.” Cutting them open was, in his warped psyche, both a lust and a purification ritual.

                And remember, when the West India Docks went up in flames on the very night of Nichols’ murder, Thompson was sleeping rough at a Salvation Army shelter nearby. Contemporary voices worried that the Army’s militant revivalism might inspire a deranged imitator to see killing as crusade. Thompson all but confesses to see killing as crusade. Thompson all but confesses to that role in his Tancred essay. When he tells readers that “the Assassin has left us a weapon which but needs a little practice to adapt it to the necessity of the day,” he is not writing as a detached social critic. He is writing as a man who already carries a surgeon’s scalpel in his pocket, who has lived among the very “harlots in the womb” he describes, and who has framed himself as both poet and knight, lusting not for love but for mutilation and purification.

                So the “lusty knight” is not an ambiguous metaphor. It is Thompson’s alter ego. The poems, the essays, the biographical facts — they align. He saw himself as a crusader in London’s “darkest England,” wielding the blade of the Assassin in a moral war against prostitutes. When we recognise that, the supposed gap between literature and life collapses. His verse is his confession; his “lusty knight” was not imagined, but embodied in Whitechapel’s streets.

                Author of

                "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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                • Richard Patterson
                  Sergeant
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 610

                  #293
                  Originally posted by jerryd View Post
                  Lewis,

                  Here is the link to the thread in question. My post is based on the research from Chris and I in no way, imply my research in this.

                  "Puckeridge" - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums (Post #13 and #14 by Chris)

                  Abby,

                  was he definitely smiths suspect? he actually never names him, and in tje context it seems he may be talking about one of the medical students, morford even?

                  Did you read post #14? notice the reports were initialled by Major Henry Smith. Chris states:

                  "Among the surviving City of London CID records at the London Metropolitan Archives are two reports, relating how on 24 September 'Puckridge' had been shadowed from Cheapside to his lodgings in a coffee house in Rupert Street in the West End, and how on the following day two detectives called on the proprietor of the coffee house, who told them that Puckridge had slept there every night for the previous four weeks. The report on how Puckridge was traced to Rupert Street, to which a description of him has been added below, appears to have been initialled by Henry Smith."


                  Here is Report 1 on 25 September

                  25th Sept. 1888

                  I beg to report that in company
                  with D. S. Child, I saw Mr. W. Tolfree, Proprietor
                  of the Imperial Coffee House, 50 Rupert Street.
                  in answer to our Enquiry he informed us that
                  the man Puckridge had been Lodging with
                  him for the last four weeks, and had slept
                  every night in the House. he also said Puckridge
                  was Eccentric in his habits and given to Eccessive
                  Drinking, and appears to have ample means.

                  Fredk. Lawley
                  D. S.
                  R. Child. D. S.


                  Here is Report 2.

                  24th Sept. 1888

                  P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
                  Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
                  followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
                  to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
                  there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
                  & P. C. P Smith, he went into Lehmans Confectioners
                  London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
                  then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
                  through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
                  the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
                  Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
                  remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
                  out & walked up & down Coventry Street
                  then returned to Lockharts remained there about
                  ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
                  Street for about half an hour, then went into
                  a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
                  then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
                  Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
                  and went in at 9.45. P.M. I watched the Place
                  till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
                  is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.

                  25th Sepr.
                  1888

                  Thomas Benham
                  P. C 105


                  Also, it seems that he was never actually a surgeon or doctor, but only a chemist. correct?

                  A chemist is like a pharmacist and had medical training. If you look at the statement by Major Smith he states his man had been a medical student. The next statement I copied here from Chris is Charles Warrens statement that covers two of Major Smiths points. Puckeridge was educated as a surgeon and released from an asylum on August 4th.

                  'Puckeridge' was mentioned in a report by Sir Charles Warren to the Home Office dated 19 September 1888:
                  "A man called Puckeridge was released from an asylum on 4 August. He was educated as a Surgeon - has threatened to rip people up with a long knife. He is being looked for but cannot be found as yet."
                  [Evans and Skinner, Ultimate Sourcebook, p. 132]


                  Now, here is the statement in 1910 from Henry Smith.

                  "After the second crime I sent word to Sir Charles Warren that I had discovered a man very likely to be the man wanted. He certainly had all the qualifications requisite. He had been a medical student; he had been in a lunatic asylum; he spent all his time with women of loose character, whom he bilked by giving them polished farthings instead of sovereigns, two of these farthings having been found in the pocket of the murdered woman. Sir Charles failed to find him. I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."
                  [Smith, From Constable to Commissioner, p. 147]


                  To summarize, look at the dates of the reports. Sept 24th and 25th. Those occurred AFTER the second crime (Annie Chapman). He was a chemist and educated as a surgeon. (Obviously had medical training). AND Sir Charles looked for him but could not find him. Last, he lodged on Rupert Street. What are the chances it is NOT Puckeridge he was talking about?

                  Back to you, Richard.

                  Jerry — thanks for laying those docs out so clearly. They’re exactly why the math cuts the two ways you’re asking about.

                  What Smith actually described was vs. what the Rupert St. file shows

                  Sir Henry Smith’s later summary of “my man” lists five hard traits:
                  1. ex-medical student
                  2. ex-asylum inmate
                  3. frequented prostitutes
                  4. passed polished farthings
                  5. found in (or tied to) Rupert St./Haymarket
                  Now look at the two September 24–25 City CID notes you quoted. For Puck(er)ridge they confirm:
                  • ex-medical training (educated as a surgeon) ✅
                  • ex-asylum inmate ✅
                  • lodging at 50 Rupert St. ✅
                  • “eccentric,” “excessive drinking,” “ample means” — but no mention of prostitutes or polished farthings ❌❌
                  • and an owner saying he “had slept every night for the last four weeks.” (That window covers 27 Aug–24 Sept — i.e., through Nichols on 31 Aug and Chapman on 8 Sept.)

                  So the file you cite gives Puckridge 3 of Smith’s 5 features, and an alibi City accepted at the time. Smith himself later writes that the Rupert St. man “proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt.”

                  Why this matters probabilistically

                  If you treat Smith’s five points as the identifying bundle, the odds that any random London man in 1888 ticks all five is tiny. Using conservative rates often cited in this thread:
                  • ex-med student ~ 1/2,000 (0.0005)
                  • asylum history ~ 1/1,000 (0.001)
                  • frequents prostitutes ~ 1/100 (0.01)
                  • polishes farthings ~ 1/10,000 (0.0001)
                  • lives in Haymarket/Rupert St. ~ 1/10,000 (0.0001)
                  Multiply = 5 × 10⁻¹⁷ ≈ 1 in 20 quadrillion.

                  That’s the rarity of a full match to what Smith described.

                  Now compare two candidates to that target:
                  • Puckridge (from the surviving reports): we can document 3/5 (medical, asylum, Rupert St.). We cannot document prostitutes or polished farthings. The three-trait coincidence (0.0005 × 0.001 × 0.0001) is 5 × 10⁻¹¹ ≈ 1 in 20 billion — rare, but not astronomically so — and it comes with an accepted alibi spanning the first two canonical murders. On Smith’s own telling, that ends him as the killer.
                  • Francis Thompson (from biography & writings): ex-medical student ✅; asylum/mental collapse ✅; lived and moved between Haymarket/Charing Cross and the East End ✅; obsessive contact with/proximity to prostitutes ✅; polished coins behavior reported in the record ✅. That is a 5/5 hit on the traits Smith enumerated — i.e., the full improbability bundle that drives the 1-in-20-quadrillion figure.
                  So, was Smith “definitely talking about Puckridge”?

                  The two Rupert St. memos show City shadowed Puckridge and then alibied him. But Smith’s five-point description (with prostitutes and polished farthings) does not match what those memos actually say about Puckridge. Either:
                  • Smith later conflated more than one lead, or
                  • the Rupert St. man Smith meant was not the same man in the two memos, or
                  • crucially, the only known person who fits all five traits Smith listed is Thompson, not Puckridge.
                  Whichever way you cut it, the probability work separates them:
                  • Puckridge: 3/5 traits + a period alibi accepted by City ⇒ mathematically and operationally weak as “the man wanted.”
                  • Thompson: 5/5 traits, no contemporaneous alibi blocking the window, and an independent biographical/psychological fit to the murders ⇒ the full Smith-bundle match that drives the vanishing odds of coincidence.
                  That’s why I keep stressing the math: it doesn’t “name” anyone by magic — it simply tells you how incredibly unlikely it is that anyone other than the one person who hits all five is the same man Smith meant. On the documentary record we have, that person isn’t Puckridge. It’s Thompson.
                  Author of

                  "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                  http://www.francisjthompson.com/

                  Comment

                  • Richard Patterson
                    Sergeant
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 610

                    #294
                    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

                    I’m assuming that this is Richard Patterson, Geddy. He has posted on here in the past. This sounds like a cynical and unpleasant advertising ploy. How desperate are some people to be ‘the one’? First we get The Church of Charles Cross TV Mission then we got the Shawl DNA Debacle Show and now a lower than whaleshit attempt to make people feel guilty for not denouncing a troubled poet as a serial killer. It’s like a twisted, dishonest attempt a cancelling someone. Stomach-churning crap. Combine this with Diary obsession and we should collectively weep for the state of ripperology.
                    Herlock,

                    It’s always telling how quickly some people reach for sneers rather than substance. You dismiss this as “advertising” or “cancel culture,” but never actually engage the mathematics, the documented evidence, or the convergence of traits that make Thompson the only man who fits Smith’s Rupert Street suspect profile. That silence says more than your colourful insults.

                    I didn’t “pull a name out of a hat.” I spent decades assembling verifiable, testable evidence: medical training under Dreschfeld, time in Whitechapel during 1888, carrying a scalpel, violent misogynistic writings, the prostitute connection, the asylum history, the Rupert Street lodging, the polished coin fraud. Major Smith’s suspect listed five rare features. Thompson ticks all five. The odds of another man doing so are in the realm of 1 in 20 quadrillion. That is not opinion — that is calculation.

                    You don’t have to like my conclusion. You don’t have to agree. But dismissing it as “stomach-churning crap” without offering a single counter-fact only exposes a refusal to deal with uncomfortable truths. If you want to argue, argue on the evidence. Otherwise, it’s just noise.

                    As for the women who died, they deserve more than weary jokes about “Church missions” or “TV shows.” They deserve justice — and justice begins with naming their killer based on the strongest available evidence. That evidence points, again and again, to Francis Thompson.

                    So mock if you like. But history isn’t moved by sneers. It’s moved by facts. And the facts are on the record now.

                    — Richard
                    Author of

                    "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                    http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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                    • jerryd
                      Chief Inspector
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1749

                      #295
                      Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

                      Now look at the two September 24–25 City CID notes you quoted. For Puck(er)ridge they confirm:
                      • ex-medical training (educated as a surgeon) ✅
                      • ex-asylum inmate ✅
                      • lodging at 50 Rupert St. ✅
                      • “eccentric,” “excessive drinking,” “ample means” — but no mention of prostitutes or polished farthings ❌❌
                      • and an owner saying he “had slept every night for the last four weeks.” (That window covers 27 Aug–24 Sept — i.e., through Nichols on 31 Aug and Chapman on 8 Sept.)

                      So the file you cite gives Puckridge 3 of Smith’s 5 features, and an alibi City accepted at the time. Smith himself later writes that the Rupert St. man “proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt.”
                      Thanks Richard.


                      The one item you leave out is Major Smith stated, "I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was​." Coincidentally Richard, two policemen (PC Benham and PCP Smith) followed Puckeridge to Rupert Street, where he lodged. Was Major Smith that lucky when recollecting these events in 1910? Adding this detail to the Puckeridge side, what are the odds, Richard? My math is not nearly as good as yours.

                      P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
                      Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
                      followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
                      to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
                      there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
                      & P. C. P Smith,
                      he went into Lehmans Confectioners
                      London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
                      then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
                      through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
                      the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
                      Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
                      remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
                      out & walked up & down Coventry Street
                      then returned to Lockharts remained there about
                      ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
                      Street for about half an hour, then went into
                      a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
                      then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
                      Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
                      and went in at 9.45. P.M.
                      I watched the Place
                      till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
                      is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.

                      25th Sepr.
                      1888

                      Thomas Benham
                      P. C 105




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                      • Richard Patterson
                        Sergeant
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 610

                        #296
                        Originally posted by jerryd View Post

                        Thanks Richard.


                        The one item you leave out is Major Smith stated, "I thought he was likely to be in Rupert Street, Haymarket. I sent up two men, and there he was." Coincidentally Richard, two policemen (PC Benham and PCP Smith) followed Puckeridge to Rupert Street, where he lodged. Was Major Smith that lucky when recollecting these events in 1910? Adding this detail to the Puckeridge side, what are the odds, Richard? My math is not nearly as good as yours.

                        P. C. P. 105 Benham reports that at 3.30. P.M. 24th
                        Inst, he saw Puckridge at the west End of Cheapside
                        followed him through Cheapside, Threadneedle Street, Austinfrias
                        to No 2 Circas Place London Wall, Puckridge remained
                        there till 6. P.M. when he left followed by Benham
                        & P. C. P Smith,
                        he went into Lehmans Confectioners
                        London Wall, then to the Stirling Castle P. H. &
                        then through Coleman Street into Cheapside
                        through the Strand to Charing Cross, waited outside
                        the Post Office Charing Cross, then on to Leicester
                        Square, Coventry Street, Lockharts Coffee House,
                        remained there one hour & 30 minutes then came
                        out & walked up & down Coventry Street
                        then returned to Lockharts remained there about
                        ten Minutes then walked up & down Coventry
                        Street for about half an hour, then went into
                        a P. H. in Rupert Street, stopped about 10 minutes
                        then went to the Imperial Coffee House 50 Rupert
                        Street, opened the Private door with a latch Key
                        and went in at 9.45. P.M.
                        I watched the Place
                        till 12.30. A.M. when the Place was [?]Cosed [Closed?], there
                        is a notice in the Window - Beds to let for Gentlemen.

                        25th Sepr.
                        1888

                        Thomas Benham
                        P. C 105



                        Thanks for that detailed post. Yes — I’m familiar with the Benham and Smith tailing of Puckridge on the 24th, and I think you’ve highlighted something important: it shows exactly why he doesn’t fit Smith’s later description.

                        Those surveillance notes give us a man who was eccentric, alcoholic, with medical training and asylum history, lodging at Rupert Street. That gets him 3 of the 5 features Smith listed. But what they don’t give us are the other two: (1) association with prostitutes, and (2) the polished farthings scam. Both appear in Smith’s 1910 description as if they were central identifiers, yet neither appears in the actual 1888 file you’ve quoted. Add to that the alibi City accepted at the time (“slept every night the last four weeks”), and it’s not hard to see why the officers closed the book on him.

                        Now compare the math. The odds of any random man in 1888 London ticking all five of Smith’s traits is vanishingly small — about 1 in 20 quadrillion. Puckridge gets 3, with no evidence for the other 2, and with an alibi that makes even the 3 less useful. Thompson, by contrast, ticks all 5 in documented sources: six years medical training, an asylum breakdown, an obsessive relationship with a prostitute, the “miracle coin” anecdote paralleling polished farthings, and his residence one street from Rupert. When probability is factored in, the full convergence makes Thompson astronomically more likely than Puckridge to be Smith’s Rupert Street man.

                        So was Smith “lucky” in 1910? I’d say no. He wasn’t misremembering Puckridge — he was describing someone else, someone who matched his five-point list point for point. The odds don’t lie.

                        Richard

                        Author of

                        "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                        http://www.francisjthompson.com/

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                        • jerryd
                          Chief Inspector
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 1749

                          #297
                          Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

                          Add to that the alibi City accepted at the time (“slept every night the last four weeks”), and it’s not hard to see why the officers closed the book on him.
                          "I sent up two men, and there he was; but, polished farthings and all, he proved an alibi without the shadow of doubt."

                          Also Richard, could you please help me with the source/s that you're using for the farthing bit with Thompson? I truly haven't heard you mention it before. I'm not doubting you, I just want to see the context is all.

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                          • Doctored Whatsit
                            Sergeant
                            • May 2021
                            • 768

                            #298
                            Why do we have this continuing reliance on what Major Smith thought? When did he become the number one authority on the Ripper? What happened to Abberline, and the opinions of those who had the necessary expertise and actually viewed what the Ripper had done - Drs Brown and Phillips?

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                            • Herlock Sholmes
                              Commissioner
                              • May 2017
                              • 22942

                              #299
                              Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

                              Herlock, Thompson’s “repugnance” at flowing blood is not a contradiction — it is exactly what links him to the Ripper’s method. He left medicine partly because of it, and yet, if anyone knew how to kill without being drenched in blood, it was him. Six years in infirmaries taught him, as Owens students were instructed, how to open vessels so the spray was directed away from the operator.

                              That matches the Whitechapel scenes. Nichols was killed in such darkness that Cross and Paul didn’t even notice blood at first. As the Journal of Investigative Psychology summary makes clear, the victims were seized, suffocated, lowered flat, and only then cut — a method that minimised spurting and left the killer clean enough to vanish.

                              In other words: the aversion to flowing blood is mimicked in the murders themselves. Thompson knew how to achieve that result. Far from ruling him out, it strengthens the case. And the irony is that while he hated the sight of blood in practice, he was obsessed with it in poetry and prose — “Red has come to be a colour feared; it ought rather to be the colour loved… the tinge of clotted blood… a prince of the Blood indeed.” Or in Nightmare of the Witch Babies: “The reeds they were pulpy with blood, blood, blood!”

                              So we are not talking about a squeamish man incapable of violence. We are talking about someone who both loathed and loved blood — and who shaped his crimes to control it. That is precisely what the Whitechapel evidence shows.

                              Herlock. Your ignorance of Thompson, I can forgive, but your lack of understanding of the Ripper crimes in this forum, makes discussions with you an uphill climb.
                              You clearly don’t need a knowledge of these murders because you simply invent your own Richard. Annie Chapman was killed at 5.30am a time at which blood would have been entirely visible. Mary Jane Kelly was killed in a lit room. And why do you think that you can get away with homing in on the ‘repugnance at flowing blood’ and yet you sidestep the repugnance at dissecting corpses. How could this be a man that not only killed and mutilated but removed organs.

                              Only a man obsessively defending a theory could turn the fact that a man that was repelled by dissection and flowing blood into a point in his favour of his guilt. It’s a joke.
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                              Herlock Sholmes

                              ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                              • Herlock Sholmes
                                Commissioner
                                • May 2017
                                • 22942

                                #300
                                Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

                                Herlock,

                                It’s always telling how quickly some people reach for sneers rather than substance. You dismiss this as “advertising” or “cancel culture,” but never actually engage the mathematics, the documented evidence, or the convergence of traits that make Thompson the only man who fits Smith’s Rupert Street suspect profile. That silence says more than your colourful insults.

                                I didn’t “pull a name out of a hat.” I spent decades assembling verifiable, testable evidence: medical training under Dreschfeld, time in Whitechapel during 1888, carrying a scalpel, violent misogynistic writings, the prostitute connection, the asylum history, the Rupert Street lodging, the polished coin fraud. Major Smith’s suspect listed five rare features. Thompson ticks all five. The odds of another man doing so are in the realm of 1 in 20 quadrillion. That is not opinion — that is calculation.

                                You don’t have to like my conclusion. You don’t have to agree. But dismissing it as “stomach-churning crap” without offering a single counter-fact only exposes a refusal to deal with uncomfortable truths. If you want to argue, argue on the evidence. Otherwise, it’s just noise.

                                As for the women who died, they deserve more than weary jokes about “Church missions” or “TV shows.” They deserve justice — and justice begins with naming their killer based on the strongest available evidence. That evidence points, again and again, to Francis Thompson.

                                So mock if you like. But history isn’t moved by sneers. It’s moved by facts. And the facts are on the record now.

                                — Richard
                                You have unsurprisingly decided to avoid answering my question about Thompson being in an asylum. I can see why.

                                I can find no mention of Thompson ever being in an asylum as Smith’s ‘suspect’ supposedly had. After he had met Meynell in the latter part of 1888 he was sent to a private hospital (which can’t be described as an asylum) due to his poor health resulting from his drug addiction. Walsh dates this to October of 1888 but admits that he does this from Thompson’s poetry. Thompson was there for 6 weeks. This means of course that, if October is correct, then he couldn’t have murdered Mary Kelly. That aside, then next time that Thompson was in any kind of institution was the Priory at Storrington and that was in 1889.

                                Therefore a) we have no evidence of Thompson being in an asylum, and b) the only institutions that he was in are the private hospital (probably in October 1888) and then the Priory in 1889.

                                How then could Major Smith write to Charles Warren just after the murder of Annie Chapman to tell him about this medical student who had been in an asylum? Clearly he can’t have been talking about Thompson.
                                Herlock Sholmes

                                ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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