Mary Jane Wilson

[MayBea]

I believe the Victoria Street address is the one that was changed to Beatrice Street after 1871.

Here is Beatrice Street right below Robsart on the map supplied by Roy Corduroy. The underlined streets are the other known addresses. Victoria/Beatrice (1861 address) and Bostock (1871 address) are not underlined.

[moonbegger]

I am unfamiliar with the conversation Maybea .. would you be so kind as to point me to the origins of the story , or even the story itself .. cheers .

moonbegger .

[MayBea]

I don't quite get the significance or involvement with " Royal conspiracy " . did you post in the wrong thread ?...

I wasn't too sure where to post this but I thought there were enough elements similar to the Royal Conspiracy theory to put it here.

The Royal connection comes through her son's marriage to Royal servants in 1919. At the very least, it could be the source of some of the rumours.

[MayBea]

...possibly the "Victoria" address is one of three: Victoria Terrace (2) either 188A Netherfield Road North, N or 451 Torr St, St Domingo Rd, N1 or Victoria Place, Albion St. Evertron N1. All three are nearby.

I believe the Victoria Street address is the one that was changed to Beatrice Street after 1871.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-06/0992165685

It was off Great Homer Street so it was in the same neighbourhood.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=409837.0

[moonbegger]

I don't quite get the significance or involvement with " Royal conspiracy " . did you post in the wrong thread ?

moonbegger

[moonbegger]

fascinating stuff Maybea , so that would put Mary as 35 as opposed to 28 .. and if (as was proclaimed ) she had a youthful look about her , why then wouldn't she shave a few years off her age . You have my attention

moonbegger

[Roy Corduroy]

1871 Census
8 Victoria St. (no longer existing), Liverpool
John Kelly 50, joiner
Mary Kelly 50
Mary Jane Kelly 18, General Servant

Since they were at Bostock Street in 1861, which intersects Great Homer where she was at marriage in 1872, then possibly the "Victoria" address is one of three: Victoria Terrace (2) either 188A Netherfield Road North, N or 451 Torr St, St Domingo Rd, N1 or Victoria Place, Albion St. Evertron N1. All three are nearby. The groom's address, Latimer Street is the next north/south street west of Scotland Road.

Using online Lewis's Handy Guide to Liverpool 1884 and the site Liverpool Streets A to Z.

[MayBea]

Mary Jane Kelly's marriage in 1872


St Nicholas, 9 Sep 1872

After banns, according to the rites of the established church.
Robert Wilson, under age, bachelor, baker, Latimer St, father James Wilson, shoemaker
and
Mary Jane Kelly, under age, spinster, Great Homer St, father John Kelly, joiner.

The witnesses were W. Cavanagh & Elizabeth Foxcroft. Mary & Elizabeth signed "by mark".

[MayBea]

Here they are in 1851, '61, and '71:

1851 Census

1 Coburg Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
John Kelly 32, Joiner b Ireland
Mary 31 b Ireland
William 6 b Liverpool
Henry 3 b Liverpool


1861 Census

5 Bostock St., Liverpool
Mary Jane Kelly age 7, born in Liverpool
Father John 41
Mother Mary 42, born in Ireland
Brother Henry 13
Brother William 18
Sister Ann Amelia 9
Mary Jane Kelly age 7, born in Liverpool


1871 Census

8 Victoria St. (no longer existing), Liverpool
John Kelly 50, joiner
Mary Kelly 50
Mary Jane Kelly 18, General Servant

[MayBea]

Then came the next three children. I found no baptism records for the girls.

Name: Henry Kelly

Birth Date: 27 Mar 1848
Baptism Date: 25 May 1848
Parish: St Mary's, Lancashire
Father's Name: John Kelly
Mother's Name: Mary Kelly


Births Sep 1851 (FreeBMD)

Kelly Ann Amelia Liverpool


Births Sep 1853
or
Births Dec 1854

Kelly Mary Jane Liverpool

[MayBea]

First child:

Name: William Kelly

Birth Date: 15 Aug 1844

Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1844

Parish: St Anthony's, Lancashire

Father's Name: John

Mother's Name: Mary Donehigan

[MayBea]

Where to start? Where to start? How about at the beginning?

It all began with the marriage of Mary Jane Wilson's parents, John Kelly and Mary Dulihead, in 1841. (Marriage Certificate image below.)

They obviously arrived in Liverpool prior to the Potato Famine.