Mary Jane Wilson

[Paddy]

Henry Dagnall Marriage

I would imagine it was not connected with Amelia as the page number seems to be missing on Henrys page ?

Name: Henry Dagnall
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1885
Registration District: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Records on Page:
Name
Henry Dagnall
Sarah Ann Daily
John Edward Daine

Pat.........................................

[Disco Stu]

You only need one name, and the registry entry (parish+volume+page), which appears to be there. Strange they couldn't find the spouse though.

Do you order through the passport office? They're usually cheaper than local councils.

[MayBea]

I believe this is Ann's BMD record for her second marriage. Can certificates still be ordered with "spouse not found"?


Marriages Mar 1885

DAGNALL Henry Birkenhead 8a

Spouse not found.

Dixon Ann Amelia Birkenhead 8a 635



Here are the BMD Death records for her sister, Ann, and brother, Henry.


Deaths Mar 1888

DAGNALL Ann Amelia 36 Birkenhead 8a 363


Deaths Mar 1892

Kelly Henry 54 Liverpool 8b 7

[Livia]

Hi Roy,

Henry Kelly's age on the 1881 census is a transcriber's error. In
1891, the name was misread. Here's the same family in 1891:

1891 England Census


Name:
Henry Helley
[Henry Kelly]

Age:
41

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1850

Relation:
Head

Spouse's Name:
Emmaline Helley

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Liverpool, Lancashire, England


Civil Parish:
Everton

Ecclesiastical parish:
St Cuthbert

County/Island:
Lancashire

Country:
England


Street Address: Hartnup Street

Registration District:
West Derby

Sub-registration District:
North Everton

ED, institution, or vessel:
30


Piece:
2957

Folio:
28

Page Number:
50

Household Members:

Name

Age

Henry Helley 41
Emmaline Helley 36
Emmaline Helley 16
William H Helley 14
Charles Helley 9


Emmaline is on the 1901 and 1911 census, widowed.


Liv

[Roy Corduroy]

Brother Henry

Good evening MayBea,

From this thread, thank you - her brother Henry, born 1848, and in the Kelly family census 51 & 61 and he married Emmeline Gould, both of Horatio St.

Is this his new family in the 1881 census at that street? (click) (another age problem?) And do you see him in any further returns please?

Roy

[MayBea]

The idea of Mary Kelly going home, wherever that is, to leave her child with relatives, isn't out of the question.

This is what Casebook member, Madam Red, wrote about Mary Kelly in 2010:

...if she had a small child when Davies supposedly died, and if Mary wasn't able to care for him/her, then she was faced with at least four-ok, five options:

1) Leave the child with relatives.

2) Orphanage, although only "respectable" children from "respectable" parents were allowed in.

3) Workhouse.

4) Paid Adoption, risking your offspring's life on the chance that this caregiver is a Baby Farmer.

5) Infantcide.

http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-4466.html

[MayBea]

The only record of Mary Wilson after 1881 is the birth register of her son, William John Wilson, registered in October of 1887 in Liverpool.

She ostensibly disappears from the records after that, presumably dying sometime between October of 1887 and August of 1890, the time her daughter was admitted to an orphanage.

Entry was:
Christina Wilson, admitted on 13 aug 1890 weighing 59lb, born 1880, Church of England, admitted to Girls Home No. 4, then transferred to no.20, nearest relation grandmother Mrs Kelly of 2 Sparling St, Orphan, only once admitted to home, discharged 28/9/1892 weighing 79lb, taken by Miss Morse to Mr Graham, Lake Road, Ambleside, Westmorland.

Christina's father died in January of 1890. Ann Dixon died in the first quarter of 1888.

[MayBea]

Mary Wilson's sister, Amelia, was a milk maid who married a milk dealer in Birkenhead in 1877. George Dixon died in 1880 but not before they had a son George the same year.

1881 Census

Tranmere Cheshire
Birkenhead
101 Peel St.
John Dixon 65
Ann Dixon 68
Ellen Dixon 14
Ann A. Dixon daughter in law, widow, 29 milk dealer (seller)
George Dixon 1
Mary Kelly 60 visitor

Ann had George the same year Mary had Christina so I'm betting they visited each other. Their mother was visiting in Birkenhead in 1881.

If Mary did go, then she may or may not be the MJK in Birkenhead that retired policeman George West tipped the London police about, the one who was there with her mother and begging with a child.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=7913&page=4

[MayBea]

Mary Wilson
Age (Original): 26
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1855
Birthplace: L Pool, Lancashire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:
Address: 19 Penrhyn St 7 Ct
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341860
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3594 / 80
Page Number: 47
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Robert Wilson M 27 Baker L Pool, Lancashire, England
Wife Mary Wilson F 26 L Pool, Lancashire, England
Son Robert Wilson M 7 L Pool, Lancashire, England
Daughter Christina Wilson F 10 [Error] L Pool, Lancashire, England
Visitor John Kelly M 57 Joiner Ireland

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQD4-ZX7

I'm confident this is Mary Wilson in 1881.

Are you asking me where she was after 1881, miss marple?

[MayBea]

These are the births, and death, of her children.

Births Mar 1875

WILSON Robert Bruce W. Derby 8b 454


Births Sep 1878

Wilson Rose W. Derby 8b 329

Deaths Mar 1879

Wilson Rose 0 W. Derby 8b 310


Births Jun 1880

WILSON Christina W. Derby 8b 430

[miss marple]

All these family members are very interesting but where is Mary Jane Wilson after 1881.
Have I missed something?

Miss Marple

[MayBea]

Her other brother William had already gotten married and emigrated to Australia by 1866.

She'd have been 11 when he married and 12 when he left the country, so brother Henry was really the only brother she knew.

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=17945

P.S. By 1871, cotton broker, Augustus Agelasto, was in London and Angelica and her second husband, John Peyton, were living next door to her parents on Horatio street. By 1881, she is living in Westminster on the same street as her brother, tailor/fixer tiler Robert Gould/Gold.

[MayBea]

After her marriage in 1872, things start to get interesting. Her brother Henry married the sister of a servant of Liverpool cotton merchant, Augustus Agelasto.

Marriage: 8 Sep 1873 All Saints, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Henry Kelly - 23, Plumber & Painter, Bachelor, Horatio Street
Emmeline Gould - 20, Spinster, Horatio Street
Groom's Father: John Kelly, Joiner
Bride's Father: Robert Gould, Tailor
Witness: Henry Gould, (X); Margarett Gould
Married by Banns by: James Moore
Notes: [Bride signed Emeline Gould]
Register: Marriages 1868 - 1876, Page 155, Entry 309
Source: LDS Film 1655766

1861 England census:

175 Grove Street, Liverpool,
household headed by Augustus Agelasto, 45, cotton broker, b. Chios;
wife Lucy Coronio, 30, b. Constantinople; sons Stephen, 8, b. Syros; John, 6; George, 4; daughters Despina, 5; Henrietta, 7; Hellen, 2 Mo, all b. Liverpool;
& 3 servants [Angelica Gould].

http://www.agelastos.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I47&tree=main

[miss marple]

It would be helpful if you could give a brief precis of this story of Jack and what is the royal connection?

As Mary and John Kelly are the commonest Irish Names, why do you think Wilson is Mary Kelly? Is there evidence she lived in the East End in the 1880s or Wales?

When did Mary Jane Wilson die, has a death been found? Where was she living? What was her last recorded address in a census record.

There is no evidence that MK had a child, from anyone one who knew her. I am sure that Barnett might have mentioned it, or McCarthy.

There is no connection with Liverpool, none of her friends mentioned Liverpool as a place she knew.
This MK is quite a few years older and seems to have lead a very different life.

It is interesting, but some things need to be clarified.

Miss Marple

[MayBea]

I am unfamiliar with the conversation Maybea .. would you be so kind as to point me to the origins of the story , or even the story itself ...

I originally put the story in Other Mysteries and then, since there were no objections and/or no alternative solutions (until recently), I decided to move it to The Royal Conspiracy.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=7863

I'm glad it got your attention, moonbegger... All the best...