The reputation of Sir William Withey Gull

[Trapperologist]

I agree with the last sentence, Dave.

I too have a suspect theory I generally keep to myself. It can be made to relate to the Royal Conspiracy theory from the 70s. I think it very well may have contributed as a source for the theory. RLS? Now there's another possible source for the rumors that may have led to the theory.

[DJA]

My research is actually based on RL Stevenson's 1885 novella.

It is not spin on anything.

Truth is that we have had all the evidence before us for a very long time.

[Trapperologist]

I've not suggested a government conspiracy.
Certainly not involving Gull and/or Gladstone.
Gull obviously knew what was going on.

I have never been an advocate of the Royal Conspiracy/PAV/Sickert nonsense.
The Michael Caine telemovie really annoys me.From Hell almost as much.

Isn’t this a new spin based or related on the long-standing rumour?

No reason for it to be dismissed automatically by association, but at least some people have moved forward from the 70s. I’m developing my own spin.

[DJA]

Been through that several times on this forum.

You are smart enough to use the search button.

[Fiver]

I've not suggested a government conspiracy.
Certainly not involving Gull and/or Gladstone.
Gull obviously knew what was going on.

I have never been an advocate of the Royal Conspiracy/PAV/Sickert nonsense.
The Michael Caine telemovie really annoys me.From Hell almost as much.

I do believe Matthews and Abberline were conspiring to ensure Jack the Ripper/Sutton was not caught.
Very much like the Cleveland Street scandal.

Dr Henry Sutton of the London Hospital? The one who co-authored a paper on kidney disease with Gull in 1873?

He seems very unlikely as a Ripper suspect. If Sutton was the killer, why would Gull know anything about it and why would either Matthews or Abberline try to conceal the Ripper's identity?

[DJA]

Did not know.

Obviously not the only one here.

Two other forums that I rarely post on do not usually employ it.

Mainly cut and paste or just use the https.

Thanks for letting me know.

[Fiver]

It's in red.
Most here would not recognize it as a link.

So most people here don't know how to use the link button in replies? It's one of the first things I learn on any new forum, because without sources we're just discussing opinions, not evidence.

[Herlock Sholmes]

of course Gull was involved. haven't you ever seen the documentary From Hell? ; )

Damn! I forgot about that one Abby. And the Michael Caine series.

[Abby Normal]

Not a shred of evidence for this of course and yet it’s stated as a fact.

of course Gull was involved. haven't you ever seen the documentary From Hell? ; )

[Herlock Sholmes]

Gull obviously knew what was going on.

Not a shred of evidence for this of course and yet it’s stated as a fact.

[DJA]

Where is that link ?

It's in red.
Most here would not recognize it as a link.
Links to some vague idea that Sickert might have been in France for part of September.
Given there were no murders from 9 to 29 September .....

[Trapperologist]

Correct, it was Stowells claim that Lady Gull was there and she was questioned by police inspector .

Lets not dismiss Stowells importance here , look at his relationship he had with Catherine Gull and Dyke Ackland , he was an executor of his will , they were very close . No motive for him to make up a story like that way way back in the 1920s when the word ''conspiracy'' probably wasn't even in the dictionary.

You are correct as well. Why would Stowell attribute a story that was making the rounds to someone he personally knew? Did he create a false memory? All we're talking about is a simple police visit that included a medium. In the end, even if it wasn't the wife or the daughter, it was a close associate of the daughter and a physician himself who started the ball rolling. He wrote an apology letter but I don't think anyone else needs to. Sensibilities aside which interfere with the investigatory process, I might give up Trapperology and try Ripperology.

[FISHY1118]

I linked my source in the post that Fishy replied to, so there was no reason to link it a second time. It is not my fault if Fishy did not read the linked source I had already given or if he chose not to believe it.

Where is that link ?

[DJA]

I've not suggested a government conspiracy.
Certainly not involving Gull and/or Gladstone.
Gull obviously knew what was going on.

I have never been an advocate of the Royal Conspiracy/PAV/Sickert nonsense.
The Michael Caine telemovie really annoys me.From Hell almost as much.

I do believe Matthews and Abberline were conspiring to ensure Jack the Ripper/Sutton was not caught.
Very much like the Cleveland Street scandal.

[Fiver]

Gladstone's letter was to The Sporting Times,13 October 1888.

Thank you. That was enough information to find a copy of the letter. It does show that shows that Gladstone did believe the Ripper was collecting organs to advance medical science, which Gladstone felt was "extenuating circumstances", but he still considered the murders to be "horrible and wicked". There is no indication that Gladsotne's letter was influenced by Gull. Gladstone was also in Opposition in 1888, and so wildly unlikely to have been brought in by any government conspiracy/

I know the publication that reported the meeting of The Royal Society that included WEG and WWG,however have not been able to relocate it.
The internet changes over 11 years.

From what I have found, the annual meeting of the Royal Society was in June that year, though surely they had other meetings. The fact that both Gull and Galdstone attended the same meeting is evidence of nothing, the Society had hundreds of members.