Patricia Cornwell

[anna]

Mornin' Pirate Jack!
Actually I did read through the posts previous to my last one to you...
Of course you are entitled to support whatever theory and whoever you wish to support on this site without people attacking your ideas,if you feel I did that,I apologise.My suprise that PC had support here, was because usually when Cornwell/Sickert is mentioned there is little response except for a short discussion.Because of Sickert being in France at the time of the murders,he is not a popular JTR suspect,and has little to do with the murders,so the subject is briefly delt with,and we get on to more relevant issues.
I didn't realise that your posts were about people attacking your beliefs when I posted..now you can see they were because of your support for someone who insulted people who study the murders quite seriously.Bit of a stupid move for an author who has wrote a series of books,and who is by no means of limited intelligence.Which leads me to your statement that she NOW realises putting "case closed" was an unwise thing to do.Are you seriously trying to say that she didn't realise what she was doing.What about her publishers,would they not have thought it an unwise move and challenged her decision.
I saw the documentary she put out on UK telly..and presumed you had too...including you as a Ripperologist,I was suprised you supported her unwise comments on your level of knowledge.
I am a supporter of Joseph Merrick and the book I picked up to read was the one I considered at the time interesting and then found to my horror the references to deformity connected to murder.I have now read the post explaining where that came from.I STILL find it disgusting, knowing the background of what Joseph went through,but survived it with dignity.Others of the time were no doubt not so lucky as he was,and it was unneccessary to include it when it could have so easily been omitted.
I have nothing against PC,but because of her opionions aimed at us,and others not so fortunate as she is,I must admit,I did gladly include my references to her being launched into outter space.Perhaps that might have been to do with our UFO files being opened yesterday,which made fascinating reading and may have influenced my mode of thinking, or perhaps it was to do with the above.
I live on Planet sensible, pity Ms Cornwell doesn't do the same.
Hope you enjoy the exhibition today,I'm looking forward to reading the comments of all who attend.

[Limehouse]

Hello Pirate Jack,

I respect your points completely but I do feel that If Cornwell had not been so arrogant to start with, and if she had just done a little research into the artistic movement that Sickert belonged, and if she had looked at more of Sickert's work - carefully - she may not have reached the conclusions she did. She was deconstructing a few pictures that dealt with a contemporary topic of huge interest - and she tried to build her evidence around that instead digging a bit deeper to find out such things as - where was Sickert and the time of the killings?

[Jeff Leahy]

Good Morning Vietnam!

Wow I didnt realize this time existed. It isn't that Patricia didn't say
nasty things about Ripperologists - she unquestionably did - but some
pretty nasty things had been said by Ripperologists and Sickertists to her at the time of her first book release.

Okay, she wrote a pretty crap book which unfortunately received a lot
of media attention and got piled high in almost every bookstore everywhere
and had a 'Case Closed' title and Patricia and her publicists behaved a bit
gung-ho in their claims to have solved the mystery, and as she didn't
consult or really acknowledge any Ripper authors or authorities she
incurred some enmity basically for walking into the field and claiming to have shown us how to play our game.

So, sure, she got mauled. And she reacted by cat-scratching back.

Okay, so time has moved on. Patricia has acknowledged she made
mistakes. She's met with a few Ripperologists, she's said her revised edition isn't going to be called 'Case Closed', she's hired a number of solid
experts,among them Keith Skinner, to undertake research for her, and she has done it in the full knowledge that they will not remain silent in the event that she tries to suppress anything.

Dan Norder to my knowledge was fully aware of this.

It's the Ripperologists - or a small number of them, like Norder - who
haven't moved on. His attack on Professor Bower is shameless..he has nothing to back up his claims.

where is Norders Scientific evidence? His claims that Prof Bower falsified results? How much is he saying Prof Bower took in hand outs from PC?

Must dash, I have a meeting but lets go over these claims...find out what the current PC position is....and if there is any truth in what Norder claims about Patricia Cornwall paying people to falsify results...

lots to do....see you at the Exhibision later taiters

[Monty]

Thanks

Ally, Jonathan, Guys,

Thanks for doing the leg work. I have a private mail from Scott Medine about that lecture Ally. Pretty much runs along the lines of the report you have provided.

Ive nothing againt PC, merely reasoning that the abuse isnt all one way.

Monty

[rjpalmer]

I really wonder why she needed to portray a gruesome serial killer as physically deformed.

You know, I got verbally abused when I made this point in the past, (which didn’t phase me) but the truth is that it can be traced back to John Douglas and other FBI “profilers.”

Here’s the major section of John Douglas’s profile of the Ripper:

1. “He comes from a family where he was raised by a domineering mother and weak, passive and/or absent father. In all likelihood, his mother drank heavily and enjoyed the company of many men. As a result, he failed to receive consistent care and contact with stable adult role models. Consequently, he became detached socially and developed a diminished emotional response towards his fellow man. He became asocial, preferring to be alone. His anger became internalized and in his younger years, he expressed his pent-up destructive emotions by setting fires and torturing small animals. By perpetrating these acts, he discovered increased areas of dominance, power and control, and learned how to continue violent destructive acts without detection or punishment.
   
2. As he grew older, his fantasy developed a strong component that included domination, cruelty, and mutilation of women. We would expect to find evidence of this violent destructive fantasy life through personal writings of his as well as drawings of women being mutilated.
   
   
3. For employment, he would seek a position where he could work alone and vicariously experience his destructive fantasies. Such employment would include work as a butcher, mortician's helper, medical examiner's assistant, or hospital attendant. [Cornwell has Sickert studying anatomy]. He is employed Monday through Friday and on Friday night, Saturday, and Sunday is off from work. He has carried a knife for defense purposes--just in case he was ever attacked, he would be ready. This paranoid-type of thinking is in part justified because of the poor self-image he has of himself. He would be expected to have some type of physical abnormality. However, although not severe, he perceives this as being psychologically crippling. We would look for someone below or above average in height and/or weight. May have problems with speech, scarred complexion, physical illness, or injury.”

Note the highlighted portions and how they end up being directly expressed in Cornwell’s writings about Sickert--including the bit about physical abnormalities.

Bruce Paley, working from the same FBI ‘profile’ had Joseph Barnett stutterering. Why? Because it is textbook Douglas. He told them the answers, and they plugged them in.

Similarly, Patricia Cornwell looks at the suspects, finds a bloke with a fistula who also paints strange pictures of ladies, and assumes she’s onto something. She directly stated this is what drove her to suspect Sickert.

While the inadequacies of Cornwell’s historical arguments are entirely her own, the whole underlying philosophy of her approach --the entire 'framework'-- is clearly traceable back to our old friend the FBI Behavioral Science Unit.

Shoot her if you must, but at least have the honesty to save the last bullet for the Dr. Frankenstein who unleashed this fury.

What did Oscar Wilde say? The rage of Caliban at seeing his own face in the mirror.