Sickert Was Ripper

[Gideon Fell]

Gideon,

I do believe he's talking about how a Ripper letter was sent (Through Telegram) with the ending signature "Mr Nobody". Also Sickert was known to have given himself knicknames, like Mr. Nobody. Hope this helps.

Regards,
Justin

Yes, but I don't recall seeing a telegram signed off 'Mr. Nobody' and all the people who sent the hoax letters and telegrams weren't suspects anyway, were they?

[Jdombrowski89]

Yes, but I don't recall seeing a telegram signed off 'Mr. Nobody' and all the people who sent the hoax letters and telegrams weren't suspects anyway, were they?

Gideon,

There is a telegram such so but the "Mr. Nobody" was crossed out and re-written next ot it was "Jack The Ripper' They were but at the time most of the police officials didn't nessecarily deem them to be all authentic, especially ones from the USA!

Regards,
Justin

[Gideon Fell]

OK thanks, that was the 'Tiddley Boyar' one of 23rd October 1888 I suppose. I think Ms. Cornwell suggests that it must have been Sickert as he had a stage name of Mr. Nobody. Bit thin I think.

[Jdombrowski89]

OK thanks, that was the 'Tiddley Boyar' one of 23rd October 1888 I suppose. I think Ms. Cornwell suggests that it must have been Sickert as he had a stage name of Mr. Nobody. Bit thin I think.

No problem. Yeah that would be it. Well unfortunately that is how Cornwells whole book goes, just because there's mere coincidences there must be a connection, which of course isn't true.

Regards,
Justin

[mercurior]

Unfortunatly, the names Mr Nemo, Mr Nobody, were commonly used in that era as a name for anonymous. So to make an analogy with modern films, in Sickert's case it was an Alan Smithee. That is why Captain Nemo is named Nemo.

"Nemo" is Latin for "no one"., if Anyone who used the name Nemo, then could jules verne have been jack the ripper, he used that name in 1870. Even Charles Dickens used the name Nemo in bleak house. So it was Common enough.

[Mike Covell]

Sickert signed his name Mr Nobody because he is just that to the case, A Mr Nobody

Mike

[denn034]

Telegram Proves Sickert Ripper


Here's the Mr. Nobody Ripper telegram from Cornwell's book that I alluded to. It's been shown that Walter Sickert, during his acting days, did use the Mr. Nobody nickname. Now, I assert that no other Ripper suspect did use it and insist upon proof to the contrary. The fact that Sickert is the only Ripper suspect that used the nickname makes Sickert the only logical candidate for the Ripper. Period!

[Dan Norder]

That would only make the slightest sense if there were any reason to think the Ripper actually wrote the telegram (there isn't) and there were any reason to think that only Sickert would use a nickname like that (there isn't). Both of those fail quite spectacularly.

Plus all the evidence that's we have shows that Sickert was in France during September of 1888, which would mean he didn't kill Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes. If you'd like to dispute that, then you should provide evidence to the contrary. So far the only argument that he wasn't in France is basically that he had to have been the Ripper so he couldn't have been in France. You can't just summarily ignore all the evidence that shows you're wrong and insist that you are right. That's not winning an argument, that's demonstrating an inability to deal with reality.

[The Good Michael]

Dan,

Also, the popularity of Jules Verne in Europe and in North America at that time, and the mysterious Captain Nemo (no one, or nobody in Latin), made the use of such a pseudonym relatively popular in personal correspondence for a time.

Mike

[Dan Norder]

Hi Mike,

Exactly. Nobody/Noman/Nemo and variants were widely included in fiction and folklore throughout the world, and people picked it up as an obvious way of cleverly saying they wanted to be anonymous. Even Catherine Eddowes used it when she was arrested Sept. 29th, so it wasn't limited to the upper classes or artists.

[caz]

In this case it appears that Mr Nobody was just the first (and fairly obvious) jokey name to enter the writer's head, so that's what he wrote. Then it struck him that Jack the Ripper would be funnier and topical too, so he struck out Mr Nobody and put that instead.

All very obvious for the time, and no possible clue to either the writer's identity or Jack's.

Love,

Caz
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[denn034]

Final Word

That would only make the slightest sense if there were any reason to think the Ripper actually wrote the telegram (there isn't) and there were any reason to think that only Sickert would use a nickname like that (there isn't). Both of those fail quite spectacularly. Plus all the evidence that's we have shows that Sickert was in France during September of 1888, which would mean he didn't kill Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride and Catherine Eddowes.

First, Ripperologists think that the Ripper wrote, at least, two of the Ripper letters. Compare them to the telegram to see the similarities. Second, I asked for proof that the other Ripper suspects used the nickname and you gave me none. Lastly, Sickert being in France was dealt with already in this thread. Lastly, go to http://www.casebook.org/witnesses and compare those Ripper descriptions to the following two photos of Sickert:
Mystery solved. Case closed. Fini!

[Dan Norder]

First, Ripperologists think that the Ripper wrote, at least, two of the Ripper letters.

They do? Gee, I would imagine I would be in pretty good position to know what Ripperology as a field has to say on that topic, and, quite simply, you're just wrong.

But, hey, if having read part of a Patricia Cornwell book and taking it at face value as if it had anything to do with reality has you convinced you know more than everyone else here, it's clear there's no way anyone can talk some sense to you.

[Graham]

This crap makes "On The Trail Of The Forgers" appear to be a work of inspired genius!

Away to Pub Talk with all mention of Sickert who, apart from not being the Ripper, is also one of my favourite artists of the late 19th/early 20th centuries.

Oh, and Denn034: if, per your last post, the case is closed, mystery solved, finis, etc., etc., hopefully that's the last we'll ever hear from you. (does the "034" refer to your IQ, by any chance?)

I don't often get personal, nasty, rotten, horrid, insulting or sarcastic on these boards, but I do make an exception with anything suggesting that Sickert was the Ripper. William Ewart Gladstone is just as likely to have done in the East End whores. Or Sir Arthur Sullivan. Or any other notable Victorian you care to name.

Cheers,

Graham

[denn034]

Reading Assignment

They do? Gee, I would imagine I would be in pretty good position to know what Ripperology as a field has to say on that topic, and, quite simply, you're just wrong.

Sugden's Complete History of Jack the Ripper and the Mammoth Book of Jack the Ripper book say Ripperologists acknowledge, at least, two letters. Period! Perhaps, some reading is in order for you.