The Question of Motive

[caz]

No, that’s a letter. The forgery is the diary. You know…the one that the well-to-do Maybrick wrote in someone else’s handwriting in an old photograph album/scrapbook with pages torn out…because he couldn’t afford the few pennies for a proper journal/diary or indeed any old notebook.

What does: 'No, that's a letter' mean, Herlock?

Confused as ever,

Caz
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Ah, I just realised you were quoting something that was presumably deleted?

[Lombro2]

That was a letter about Florrie having a miscarriage.

So we have new and "relevant" information discovered by an author that the author of the diary didn't know or James Maybrick would have known and would have mentioned.

Oh and I read the thing through this time and he says James Maybrick would have killed again based on this information in "early 1889".

He would have killed again. Yet none of that happens; instead, if the diarist is to be believed, he just has loving thoughts about his wife. This is simply absurd.

[caz]

Serial killers are not rational people. This may come as a shock to some.

It has been proven in numerous studies that narcissistic serial killers use whatever stories or angles they think will garner the most sympathy from those they wish to influence or delude. It has often been an effective tactic to convince psychologists and parole boards that if it weren't for "insert bad thing happening to me", I would not have killed any of those people. They use this technique on themselves the most. To convince themselves of false realities.

In actual reality, they are succumbing to an urge that overwhelms them and for which they enjoy. Catering to their deep-seated urges and desires. Their addictions.

James Maybrick had numerous addictions. That is fact.

My thoughts exactly, ero.

Assuming Chris has yet to identify the diary author, may I humbly suggest that he would be looking for someone who knows a fair bit about the psychology of self-destructive self-deceivers with addictive personalities. Anne Graham may have had some knowledge of this, but would surely have found the subject matter too unbearably close to home for comfort - namely her home life with her husband.

Such an idea could have proved interesting, for someone who could maintain a decent and professional distance, and did not have to cope on a daily basis with whatever troubles were brought to her own door, but it still feels rather a long way from 'fun for today'. I think I'd have sooner pulled all my own teeth out than write this 'DAiRy' for, or with, the character who was Mike Barrett. After all, Anne knew the man better in 1992 than anyone else on the planet.

Love,

Caz
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[Herlock Sholmes]

What does: 'No, that's a letter' mean, Herlock?

Confused as ever,

Caz
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Ah, I just realised you were quoting something that was presumably deleted?

Yes, indeed, Caz. Lombro mis-read Chris's post and thought the letter Chris had posted was supposed to have been authored by James Maybrick. So he first suggested it might be a forgery, then, in a further post, on the basis that it was a genuine letter by Maybrick, he said that the handwriting in it seemed to be similar to the diary handwriting. I mean, honestly! In his embarrassment, he's now removed all evidence of this through editing but, thankfully, I captured one of those two posts in a quote for posterity.

[Lombro2]

Oopsey Daisy. Sorry about that. Excuse my bumbling buffoonery.

You can quote me on that on jtrforums.

Or cut and paste.


Sincerely yours,

Snipper Viewer

[caz]

Yes, indeed, Caz. Lombro mis-read Chris's post and thought the letter Chris had posted was supposed to have been authored by James Maybrick. So he first suggested it might be a forgery, then, in a further post, on the basis that it was a genuine letter by Maybrick, he said that the handwriting in it seemed to be similar to the diary handwriting. I mean, honestly! In his embarrassment, he's now removed all evidence of this through editing but, thankfully, I captured one of those two posts in a quote for posterity.

Well thank goodness we have you, Herlock, to keep us all on the straight and narrow.

Love,

Caz
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[Lombro2]

I have to be fast on the delete button before I get closed and deleted for asking a question.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I have to be fast on the delete button before I get closed and deleted for asking a question.

Well Lombro, in the one surviving (quoted) post out of the two you deleted, you wrote:

"Well, the handwriting in the letter doesn't match Maybrick's formal hand and seems to match the "forgery"."

I'm not seeing a question there.

It's difficult to know what you wrote in the other post because you decided to delete it. No-one else was deleting anything. Just you.

[Lombro2]

Hard to know what you wrote.

[Lombro2]

On the subject of Triggers, which is the correct term, everyone knows about triggers and stressors. This goes back to the mid 90s in published material for the public.

The Diary author knows it too. Barrett must have been ahead of his time. I guess he still is in some quarters.

[Lombro2]

BTW

That’s a good example of Georgian and Victorian handwriting too. A hand practiced in the style of that time and writing smoothly with a fountain pen at the same time.

I’d like to see how hard it is for a modern person to forge that. With 63 pages of original and “credible” content. No problem for Mighty Mike and his superforger sidekick, Anne.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hard to know what you wrote.

What does your thread being deleted on a totally different forum have to do with you quietly deleting your embarrassing mistakes on this one?

[Lombro2]

It shows that asking a question is considered embarrassing.

Making definitive statements based on incorrect understanding of terminology and behavioral science is A-Okay! I asked nicely for an elaboration, I believe. Maybe you can step in for the reticent.

Here's some more embarrassing questions:

So what's wrong with the Serial Killer "Stressor" in the Diary? Is it just missing a miscarriage to put him over the edge? Ask AI.

Triggers [and/or stressors] for serial killing

• Loss of a job: A loss of employment can trigger a serial killer to act out.
• Loss of a relationship: A loss of a relationship can trigger a serial killer to act out.
• Social and environmental factors: The family environment, social isolation, or bullying a serial killer experiences as a child can contribute to their criminal behavior.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It shows that asking a question is considered embarrassing.

Making definitive statements based on incorrect understanding of terminology and behavioral science is A-Okay! I asked nicely for an elaboration, I believe. Maybe you can step in for the reticent.

Here's some more embarrassing questions:

So what's wrong with the Serial Killer "Stressor" in the Diary? Is it just missing a miscarriage to put him over the edge? Ask AI.

To be honest, though, Lombro, your question was embarrassing, or rather your answer to it was. Your strange theory that "one off instance" wasn't a common expression in the English language in 1992 was ludicrous. Even Ike told you this was plain wrong.

Would it be fair to say that you exhibit signs of confirmation bias? I mean, you see handwriting which you think is Maybrick's and your immediate reaction is to say that it resembles the diary handwriting when, of course, it resembles it not at all. I understand that you're keen, for some strange reason, for the diary to have been written by Maybrick but it definitely wasn't. If you spent your energy researching the etymology of "one off" you would surely see that very quickly. And, for that reason, you would know that the content of the diary is not "credible" at all. It's impossible.

[Lombro2]

• Florence and Brierley went to a London hotel for 2 days in March of 1898.
• James died in May 11 of 1898. He had taken ill the 28th of April.
• Most miscarriages are in the first trimester so the miscarriage could well have been in April when James was as good as dead and only needed a little help to finish himself off.

So to say he would have started up his ripping campaign on account of finding out the "Whoremaster" actually impregnated his wife, when he already killed five or six women because of, or triggered by the adultery, is a stretch.

I know this is "new information" but the devil is in the interpretation.