Vote the Diary

[pinkmoon]

Hi Graham,

I'm pretty sure Mike was as surprised and puzzled as anyone else when the watch and its markings came to light in June 1993, which was before the diary content was first published.

Love,

Caz
X

Hi caz,I was very surprised when I asked Mr Barrett about the watch I was expecting him to waffle on for hours but all he did was shrug his shoulders look bemused and say "don't f####### know".I'm firmly of the opinion he knows nothing about this watch.One last thing I know Mr Johnson who discovered this watch was in the merchant navy as was Mr Barrett.

[Jonathan H]

How do we know that the watch, with it's Maybrick markings, appeared before the 'Diary' was published?

Io be specific can I--or anybody else--access the published source that shows, eg. by it's date, that it debuted before this [modern] hoax of the 'Diary' was launched and then flopped?

[GUT]

G'day Jonathan

So, if it did come out of Battlecrease then Anne Graham is lying, or hopelessly misinformed--have I got that straight?

Only explanation I can see.

I would love to believe the diary was real but I keep coming back to the untruths told about the diary.

[GUT]

G'day Graham

If Keith Skinner really can prove that it came out of Battlecrease, then for Gawd's sake let's hear from him!

And if Mrs Graham can prove she's descended from Florrie, prove it.

[GUT]

G'day Sunbury

a very convoluted sentence Gut

It was meant to be.

[Jonathan H]

So, if it did come out of Battlecrease then Anne Graham is lying, or hopelessly misinformed--have I got that straight?

[MayBea]

Thanks for the info, very interesting even for the doubters, no?

It should be, Kaz. The Ryder/Rydall comparison doesn't really work.

In 1891, the census has 20 Maybrick and 6000 Ryders. There are no Mibracs and 14 Rydalls. There is therefore no comparison.

The S.E. definitely suggests the last two letters of James.

No proof of connection to the bag itself. Just evidence that he was there hiding his identity.

Any idea what Maybrick would have been doing in London in April in the West End of London? On business or 'john' business.

[Kaz]

Charing Cross Hotel it was - see below:



If I recall correctly, according to Paul Feldman a piece of luggage was found in the room occupied by S E Mibrac, and which was found to contain pornographic material. The hotel management reported this to the police.

Shirley Harrison says that the above was reported to the poilice on July 5th 1888 (not 100% certain of the date) and that the Diary states that James Maybrick was in London on this date.

Well, there you go.........

Acknowledgment due to Richard Scheib, Casebook Forums long ago.

Graham

Thanks for the info, very interesting even for the doubters, no?

sorry for double post, I'm lazy

[Kaz]

No.

Bent as a nine bob note - or a hoaxed ripper confession if you prefer.

But my private information (did you see what I did there?) is that it did come out of Battlecrease. And this private information is in the safest hands in Ripperology and this time it won't be destroyed.

Love,

Caz
X

Wow, and who says the diary is dead!?

So many loose ends, anyone know of a good detective willing to work for a packet of peanuts?

[caz]

Conversely if the 'Diary' turns out not to have come out of Battlecrease, then that proves it was not by Maybrick and not an old hoax either--have I got that straight?

No.

Bent as a nine bob note - or a hoaxed ripper confession if you prefer.

But my private information (did you see what I did there?) is that it did come out of Battlecrease. And this private information is in the safest hands in Ripperology and this time it won't be destroyed.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

Taken as separate entities, it's hard to see how the Watch and the Diary could be linked. However, I'm pretty sure that there is a link, but haven't a clue what it is. I can't quite envisage a gent like Albert Johnson getting mixed up in any kind of scam, or the infamous 'nest of forgers'. I also understand that an examination of the Watch via an electronic microscope could detect no sign of a forgery. And as far as I'm aware at no time did Mike Barrett ever make any reference to the Watch - I'm sure that Caz will confirm one way or the other.

Somewhere, someone knows the truth about this whole business.

Graham

Hi Graham,

I'm pretty sure Mike was as surprised and puzzled as anyone else when the watch and its markings came to light in June 1993, which was before the diary content was first published.

Love,

Caz
X

[Graham]

S E Mibrac Charing Cross Station (Hotel, I think).

Charing Cross Hotel it was - see below:

S.E. MIBRAC

Yet another leap of speculation is to try and argue that the name S.E. Mibrac on a hotel register could be James Maybrick. The names have a vague similarity. But it is about the same as trying to argue, if I use the case of your name, that S. Ryder and a name like M.H. Rydall could be the same person. Coincidence does occur in the real world.

Anyway why would Maybrick have bothered to create different initials for himself. Why for that matter would Maybrick have signed a register with a slightly different surname ? Why only sign a partially similar name and give completely different initials ? If he was trying to keep his whereabouts unknown why not sign a completely different name ?

If I recall correctly, according to Paul Feldman a piece of luggage was found in the room occupied by S E Mibrac, and which was found to contain pornographic material. The hotel management reported this to the police.

Shirley Harrison says that the above was reported to the poilice on July 5th 1888 (not 100% certain of the date) and that the Diary states that James Maybrick was in London on this date.

Well, there you go.........

Acknowledgment due to Richard Scheib, Casebook Forums long ago.

Graham

[Graham]

Even if it can be proved that it did come out of Battlecrease, that doesn't prove that Maybrick wrote it. And even if it didn't come out of Battlecrease, then at this level of precise knowledge about the bloody thing, it doesn't prove it was a new hoax either.

If Keith Skinner really can prove that it came out of Battlecrease, then for Gawd's sake let's hear from him!

Graham

[Jonathan H]

Conversely if the 'Diary' turns out not to have come out of Battlecrease, then that proves it was not by Maybrick and not an old hoax either--have I got that straight?

[Livia]

If its ever proven to have come out of battlecrease house that surely makes Maybrick our man?

The handwriting doesn't hold enough water IMO, nor does the age discrepancy.

I seem to remember some luggage found with a name that sounded (or anagramed) James Maybricks, wasn't it found at a train station?

S E Mibrac Charing Cross Station (Hotel, I think).