Vote the Diary

[MayBea]

So how did it get from under the mattress to where it was found?

According to The Definitive Casebook, Anne Graham thinks the Diary was smuggled out of Battlecrease wrapped in the laundry and given to her father's grandmother, Elizabeth Formby, who ran a laundry and whom she believed was the local fence.

[MayBea]

At first, I was in agreement with Spider that a modern hoaxer would be easier to find, but now I believe otherwise. If you think Michael was just a patsy, the hoaxer could be anyone with the books, the science, and a lot of luck, channelling Jim and Jack.

If it's an old hoax, it would be much easier to find the 'forger' because he'd likely be in the Maybrick circle, and involved somehow in the Ripper investigation or have access to the information that was not released until the 1980s (e.g. matchbox was made of tin).

Then again, I think most of the Modern Hoax theorists think he's already been found no matter what you say - Michael.

[pinkmoon]

A hoaxer might have, for a mischievous bit of fun.

1888 - the infamous murders in London

1889 - Maybrick's untimely (or timely?) death in Liverpool

The theme of the dairy is very much a Liverpool/London, north/south one, milking these two notorious cases for all they are worth. Possibly inspired by the cartoon Whitechapel at Whitehall, featuring Jack the Ripper on the left and Florie Maybrick on the right?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qwm7E0VCSa4/Tiyv0-YA69I/AAAAAAAAUmU/aXJ8_DV8aEg/s1600/florence%2Bmaybrick%2Btom%2Bmerry.jpg

Love,

Caz
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Hello my dear,I think the diary is connected to Mrs Maybricks trial maybe a lame brain attempt to save her if she was found guilty or maybe it was going to be sold to a newspaper after she was hung who knows?

[caz]

Why would any forger pick a suspect living 200 miles away from the crime scene?

A hoaxer might have, for a mischievous bit of fun.

1888 - the infamous murders in London

1889 - Maybrick's untimely (or timely?) death in Liverpool

The theme of the dairy is very much a Liverpool/London, north/south one, milking these two notorious cases for all they are worth. Possibly inspired by the cartoon Whitechapel at Whitehall, featuring Jack the Ripper on the left and Florie Maybrick on the right?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qwm7E0VCSa4/Tiyv0-YA69I/AAAAAAAAUmU/aXJ8_DV8aEg/s1600/florence%2Bmaybrick%2Btom%2Bmerry.jpg

Love,

Caz
X

[GUT]

And so my question goes unanswered save for the usual comedy rhetoric because no-one has the answer.
How very little casebook has changed in my absence

Regards

Maybe because the forger had plenty of knowledge about maybrick.

Maybe to assist Mrs M if it was forged around the time of her trial.

[GUT]

I must be one of the few who believe in the 'diary' 100% all day long, or at least one of the even fewer that dare stand up and admit to it on this site, considering the amount of anticipated tirades faced in reply ;-)

The 'diary' was on poor footing from the start with it's dubious introduction, but putting this to one side my thoughts are, that the diary originated from Battlecrease House, making it's way to Ann Graham's family from her fathers step mother via a servant at Battlecrease.
When Maybrick say's in the 'diary' he will "place this where it will be found", there is only one place it could logically have been put. Maybrick couldn't risk it being found whilst bedridden and so must have kept it with him, if he lived it was safe, if he died it didn't matter.
The 'diary' was probably placed under the mattress. Had a family member found it, then it would have been destroyed. In all likelihood it would have been found by the lowliest servant of the house charged with changing the bed linen after Maybrick's death.

Regards

So how did it get from under the mattress to where it was found?

[Spider]

Love the title of the poll ;-) The Dairy of Jack the Ripper

Why would any forger pick a suspect living 200 miles away from the crime scene?

Regards

And so my question goes unanswered save for the usual comedy rhetoric because no-one has the answer.
How very little casebook has changed in my absence

Regards

[GUT]

That'll be enough Dairy jokes Mr. Gut

Just try making a pole sometimes. Not as simple as it looks

Roy

Bit of a cow when you make that sort of mistake isn't it?

[GUT]

G'day Roy

You've got my Hereford sympathies on the Poll issue

[Roy Corduroy]

That'll be enough Dairy jokes Mr. Gut

Just try making a pole sometimes. Not as simple as it looks

Roy

[GUT]

I'd just assumed that they used "Dairy" because of all the BS around the "Diary".

[MayBea]

Love the title of the poll ;-) The Dairy of Jack the Ripper

Cue the "milking" jokes!

I just wonder if Old Hoax theorists are interested in finding their forger by looking at possible links between the Maybrick circle and the Ripper investigation.

[Spider]

Love the title of the poll ;-) The [B]Dairy[B] of Jack the Ripper

Why would any forger pick a suspect living 200 miles away from the crime scene?

Regards

[MayBea]

I think that, had the 'diary' been a later forgery then the forger/nest of forgers would have been traced. An earlier forgery would be more difficult to trace.

The Old Hoax theory, at least, has science on its side although, admittedly, the science can be faked if you know how.

I don't believe there's an Old Hoax theory per se, only an Old Document theory, so from that standpoint, I'd say the author's early, insider knowledge of the Ripper case, and of the Maybrick household, is a clue to the author himself.

Who or what is the link between Maybrick and the Ripper investigation, or between James and Jack himself? What was the connection and who would have made it?

[pinkmoon]

It is 'relatively' little in terms of publishing rights etc, wasn't it about £40k total? No idea what publishing books would bring.

If it were a forgery it didn't work out financially for the forgers that's for sure and Mr. Barrett certainly wasn't capable of undertaking it.

Regards

I think Mr Barretts roll in this was purely by chance and not by any planning of his doing.