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If you consider the conditions that the photograph was taken - in a room that was probably not adequately lit for getting good pictures - then any lettering (if it existed) which showed up in the photograph would have been very obvious to those who saw the room at the time of the murder. The fact that nobody ever mentioned it, not the police or the press, leads to the obvious conclusion that there was no writing to see."To err is human. To blame someone else is politics." (Hubert H Humphrey)
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Originally posted by Mike Covell View PostThanks for posting these two Stewart. I can see the blood on the walls, but fail to see how people can read into this further, or see any letters!
On the contrary - I was extremely surprised that Stewart posted the two pictures as he is an avowed anti-diarist (I think I'm right in saying that, Stewart), and both the B&W and sepia versions Stewart posted show the letters. In truth, the 'F' in the sepia version is only discernible if you know exactly what you're looking for, which is hardly compelling evidence.
Stewart, the B&W (Rumbelow) version could hardly have been more clear. Were you drawing on the absolute original when you posted this? Do you still have access to it? Is what you posted what we would see if we had the original?
If the latter question answers 'Yes', I am unexpectedly bouyed by this knowledge.
As an aside, I worked in management support at New Scotland Yard in 1988/89 (hmm...I've just noticed the significance of the dates), and was desperate to see The Black Museum but the tours were booked up for ages. One day, I came back to my desk to find a note saying that I'd been rung as they'd had a drop-out and the tour was about to start. Unfortunately, the note was timed about 45 minutes earlier! (I did not get another chance, sadly.)
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Thank you, Stewart, for bringing reason and good sense to the discussion.
Your knowledge about all of this is appreciated.
Of course, common sense and thoughtfulness can never trump individual desire and the will of blind faith, especially here on the internet.
All the best,
--John
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Originally posted by A L Morrison View PostIf you consider the conditions that the photograph was taken - in a room that was probably not adequately lit for getting good pictures - then any lettering (if it existed) which showed up in the photograph would have been very obvious to those who saw the room at the time of the murder. The fact that nobody ever mentioned it, not the police or the press, leads to the obvious conclusion that there was no writing to see.
With the benefit of 120 years of rather unpleasant hindsight to draw on, we now know that killers are not averse to such games, and therefore everything gets analysed and recorded.
The 'FM' may very well be no more than random blood formations - but the fact that we are debating them, and the fact that they are clearly referenced in the diary, is the most deeply unsettling aspect of what otherwise not unreasonably is written off as a hoax.
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Tom,
A.) We aren't actually "debating them." You are just saying over and over that they are there despite what everyone else has pointed out.
B.) They are not "clearly referenced" in the diary. You have taken vague lines which do not even mention Mary Kelly's room and extrapolated them out to be references to the photo because of your own desire. The diary does not mention any F or M on Mary's wall.
This is all just silliness.
--John
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Originally posted by Soothsayer View PostStewart, the B&W (Rumbelow) version could hardly have been more clear. Were you drawing on the absolute original when you posted this? Do you still have access to it? Is what you posted what we would see if we had the original?
Obviously the fact that letters could be made out was an idea floated in 1988 and any subsequent fantasising about letters would, no doubt, have been instigated by that.SPE
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Originally posted by Soothsayer View PostI don't know how rigorous policing was in 1888, but I do know that whoever went in that room must have been overwhelmed with the carnage (and the thought of the carnage when the jury visited). I question whether it occurred to anyone at that time that serial killers might want to play games and leave clues, and therefore that they ought to look at shapes on the wall or walls for those clues.SPE
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Originally posted by richardnunweek View PostHello Stewart,
May I ask you a question.?
What opinion have you when you look at Kellys right leg, is the mark a circular cut, or the top of a garter?
We have spent many a time on 'Casebook' discussing that question, personally i see it as a elasticated top of a stocking.
Regards Richard.SPE
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Originally posted by Robert View PostHi Stewart
Might the police not have been affected by the sheer smell? Also, what about Dew and Beck?SPE
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Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View PostHi Richard, I have always thought that it is a line of blood that has run around her leg before congealing.
That explanation makes sense especially as I (think I) can see a trail running down the shin in your photo in post #91.
I've always been confused as to what exactly MJK is wearing as there appears to be contradictions in the contemporary reports between she was naked, naked apart from some undergarments, and what could be bedsheets of some sort.
Is there anything that might confirm things one way or the other?Truth is female, since truth is beauty rather than handsomeness; this [...] would certainly explain the saying that a lie could run around the world before Truth has got its, correction, her boots on, since she would have to chose which pair - the idea that any woman in a position to choose would have just one pair of boots being beyond rational belief.
Unseen Academicals - Terry Pratchett.
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