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If you think about the way the Diary turned up, it completely fits in with the whole Maybrick saga. If someone had found it in a second handbookshop, would that have made it more likely genuine? The story told by it's former owners makes a lot of sense in real life! The problems with the Barratt marriage, the way in which Michael was given the book by his wife, who (Im sure I read) wasn't sure if JtR was real or not. And her family's story of the diary before that. What is there not to believe?
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Are Shirley Harrison and Mike Barrett still getting royalties from the sale of this book?allisvanityandvexationofspiritComment
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Oh dear am I going to get some stick for this...I was just looking at a thred discussing a diagram of poor old Kate Eddows. Now, her right leg is bent and her left is straight, ok, her left arm sticks out abit from the side and between it and her body is the piece of colon. Could this not be the "Clue" Maybrick was on about? I might be seeing things but could the bent leg not be a J and the other leg, colon and arm be the three lines of an M? Give me time to run for shelter Phil.Comment
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this thread is like one of the outside news features where the reporter is having a really serious discussion with someone else ( who is equally as serious ) and in the background there is always someone arsing about for the camera !! funny to watch but my advice between the two serious ones on here would be to ignore it or do it by PM ......just my opinion !Comment
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Seriously? A diagram drawn by a policeman is a clue left by Maybrick? Really? REALLY?!?!?Originally posted by miakaal4 View PostComment
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Originally posted by Sir Robert Anderson View Post
Robert. Nowhere in the text is there a specific reference saying 'I am going to leave an FM', you are right. However, he does state 'An initial here and an initial there will tell of the whoring mother.' Suggesting:
A) That he has left at least two initials of some kind or another and,
B) That they refer to the whoring mother.
The whoring mother is quite clearly a reference to his wife Florence. He calls her 'the whore' and 'the bitch' throughout the diary. All that is being taken here is a simple logical step.
Add to this the fact that around the area of the body we can just so happen to find things that look like Fs and Ms and the inference of the diarist is clear.
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I think miakaal4 meant the actual position of the body at the scene, not the diagram, Iain.Originally posted by Iain Wilson View Post
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Andy, for you:Originally posted by andy1867 View Post
Compare the mark on her arm to the letter of the alphabet below. It is somewhat similar, I think you'll agree.
F
You can also see the chemise on top of the body. Both are very easy to see.
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Maybricks diary is full of rhyme tryouts. Lots are repeated and crossed out. It's like he is doodling or playing mindgames, it had been made clear that his brother Michael had made up a verse or verses that had clearly impressed James. Whether he sent the verse in a letter or told James verbally is unknown. However in the midst of the diary, Maybrick writes; "Thank God I have the courage to stop sending them." He is clearly referring to the verses, but to whom did he send them? There is an inference it is Abberline.Comment
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just asking a question here:
1. what side of the bed do you think the killer was stood when he made these F and M marks ? because the way i see it, they kind of lend themselves to being seen in their glory from the other side of the bed more than for the person who surveys the scene or photographs it. Just an observation !
2. and should that be the case, there doesnt appear to be much room on that side of the bed. Now he may have possibly been sat on top of her as he did this of course, but looking at the mess of the body, this could have been a bit tricky. The F would be difficult to carve in the flesh from the more roomy side of the bed, because if you look at it, it is technically back to front if this was the case.Comment
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Many capital letters in the latin alphabet are composed of straight lines. Natural processes will often form letter shapes, accordingly (because natural processes can form straight lines)
There are many issues with your theory (using the term loosely)
One of them is that your 'F' is upside down. Why? One of them is that it is not the only possible 'letter' on the arm - so what are we to make of the potential 'C' or 'G' a bit further up. One of them is that you could be looking at blood run off. Gravity will do that.
Look at the behaviour of rain on a window, and you'll see what I mean.Comment
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I know my point about Eddows is long and hardly worth a discussion, but please remember that I am speaking from a Maybrick did it point of view. And Maybrick was into leaving clues and playing funny games. In his 'report' after the Double Event he writes about leaving his mark; presumably the cuts on the face, but in the rhymes following this he say's;
"Oh Mr Abberline, he is a clever little man
He keeps back all that he can
For do I know better, indeed I do
did I not leave him a very good clue."
Probably the tin box (empty) maybe the cigarette case, or was it the way he arranged the leg and body? Just an Idea is all.Last edited by miakaal4; 10-11-2012, 01:25 PM.Comment
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I would hope Shirley is. Remember that she paid over 80,000 pounds in legal expenses as she was on the hook for part of Robert Smith's fees.Originally posted by Stephen Thomas View Post
Robert Smith was a publisher. He did what publishers do. The Diary didn't work out the way he hoped. It was -at that time - a business proposition.
Shirley is an author, paid to write a book. She did what authors paid to write a book do. I think Sally Evemy did an outstanding piece of research considering she had no real budget to work with.
None of these people were Ripperologists.
If you are looking for bad actors, or misguided if you want to be charitable, I would look towards Feldman, Harris, Barrett and AFI. They all laid the foundation for the acrimony that continues to this day in this very thread.Managing Editor
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