The Diary

[DVV]

then I remembered it was about 2 feet long, so if it was placed like the drawing showed but was a little longer, you could imagine that with the left arm and body line it could look like an M. The right leg from the knee to the foot looks like a J hence JM. Its is very lame but then Maybrick was a gamester.

Now you've broken all the records...

[Tempus omnia revelat]

Hi Tempus.

Not to speak for Phil, but you asked questions about the chemise earlier on this thread. I attempted to answer them in post #210 on pg 21.

Just curious whether you read it, and if you have any response?

Thank you,
Archaic

Hi Archaic! I haven't, sorry. I have lost track of a lot of this thread, to be honest. I will have a look at your post now.


Kind regards,


Tempus

[miakaal4]

Hi Iain, No as far as I am aware there is no photo, however I read the description in one of my books and it said the colon looked as if it had been "placed" there, sort of deliberately, so I looked at the drawing in the photo archive here and wondered why the piece of gut was put there like that, then I remembered it was about 2 feet long, so if it was placed like the drawing showed but was a little longer, you could imagine that with the left arm and body line it could look like an M. The right leg from the knee to the foot looks like a J hence JM. Its is very lame but then Maybrick was a gamester.

[Steven Russell]

just asking a question here:

1. what side of the bed do you think the killer was stood when he made these F and M marks ? because the way i see it, they kind of lend themselves to being seen in their glory from the other side of the bed more than for the person who surveys the scene or photographs it. Just an observation !

2. and should that be the case, there doesnt appear to be much room on that side of the bed. Now he may have possibly been sat on top of her as he did this of course, but looking at the mess of the body, this could have been a bit tricky. The F would be difficult to carve in the flesh from the more roomy side of the bed, because if you look at it, it is technically back to front if this was the case.

Hello, Jason.
I think the killer could have made the F on the arm as described in post 268. If I'm right, he was standing at the side of the bed nearer the camera, facing to the right of the picture. He took hold of the wrist with his left hand and slashed at the arm with the knife in his right. Either that or he was kneeling on the bed between Mary's legs as he must have done at some stage.

Again, let me say I don't believe this was an intentionally formed F, just slashing/sawing that happened to produce that pattern.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Archaic]

re: The Chemise

Just answer one simple question, Phil: how do you think the chemise got where it is? You will agree that it did not materialise from nowhere, yes? Or that it grew little legs and walked there of its own accord? So how did it get there?

Hi Tempus.

Not to speak for Phil, but you asked questions about the chemise earlier on this thread. I attempted to answer them in post #210 on pg 21.

Just curious whether you read it, and if you have any response?

Thank you,
Archaic

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[Simon Wood]

Hi Dave,

Jim who?

Regards,

Simon

[Cogidubnus]

She was forever having trouble with Jim.

A phrase the BBC are frantically trying to forget right now...

Dave

[Simon Wood]

Hi DVV,

I have always been a fan of Mrs. Dale's Diary*.

She was forever having trouble with Jim.

Regards,

Simon

*A reference that only True Brits of a certain age will fully comprehend.

[DVV]

I used to believe in Maybrick until I read the Abberline diary.

[Iain Wilson]

that remark actually made me wee a little !

My question was obviously rhetorical ;-)

[Iain Wilson]

Which is why active research is looking at residents of Battlecrease and the adjoining house over the years for potential matches.

Bravo.

[Scott Nelson]

Well, you do have George Grossmith. MMO.

[Casebook Wiki Editor]

Bob, or anyone. Is the diary handwriting James Maybrick's? Knowledgeable posters here have said no. But I neglected to ask them the source of that decsion.

At York I put up a slide showing several handwriting samples from within the Diary itself. I'm not implying there was more than one Diarist, just showing the Diarist's handwriting varies wildly within the text itself. (Facsimiles don't do it justice - which is why I am glad we were able to bring the Diary to York.)

I'm not an expert but I would say that the Diary handwriting does not match the samples we have of James Maybrick's hand. Which is why active research is looking at residents of Battlecrease and the adjoining house over the years for potential matches.

When I first started pulling together material for my talk I kept asking myself who would want to bother with doing a hatchet job on Sir Jim posthumously? Now I think in terms of "who wouldn't have"? As Caz put it on the moderated JTRForums threads, "Everything Maybrick touched turned to dust." It's one of the reasons I believe that to come to grips with the Diary and the Watch one needs to immerse oneself in the actual Maybrick case.

[Roy Corduroy]

Bob, or anyone. Is the diary handwriting James Maybrick's? Knowledgeable posters here have said no. But I neglected to ask them the source of that decsion.

Has it been subjected to handwriting analysis and if so by whom, when was that, and what was the result?

Because I don't know that. There' been so much about it, and its so long ago I read it, I honestly can't say.

Roy