Jacob Levy

[Pierre]

What an ridiculous idea.

No research done, and obviously no intention of even checking, That is meant to be an academic approach to research?

Steve

I happen to think that the police had brains in 1888. The killer did not think so.

I think that was a mistake.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

If he was Jack the Ripper we would have known it.

Regards, Pierre

What an ridiculous idea.

No research done, and obviously no intention of even checking, That is meant to be an academic approach to research?


Steve

[Pierre]

Pierre


Its already been done, Ripperologist #124 I think, is a good place to start.

The comment just proves no research as been done!

By all means dismiss an idea; but please at least do the research to back up that viewpoint.
Instead we have a view, based on preconceived ideas, themselves based on data, the contents of which there is a refusal to disclose or even prove the existence of.

steve

If he was Jack the Ripper we would have known it.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Connect him to the murder sites. And give data for a motive. Please.

Just do no not tell me he "lived in the area", had anatomical knowledge and was placed in an asylum.

Regards, Pierre

Pierre


Its already been done, Ripperologist #124 I think, is a good place to start.

The comment just proves no research as been done!

By all means dismiss an idea; but please at least do the research to back up that viewpoint.
Instead we have a view, based on preconceived ideas, themselves based on data, the contents of which there is a refusal to disclose or even prove the existence of.

steve

[lilyofthevalley]

I'm of the opinion that at the time everything was done to hush the fact that the suspect may have been a Jew, rather than the other way around. Not withstanding the appalling anti-semitism of yesterday and today, not to look at Jewish suspects on account of them being Jewish, now that would be silly and biased.

[Pierre]

Pierre

Is the view that we cannot consider a member of the Jewish faith then?

How do we justify excluding a large percentage of the population in the area in 1888?


It is obviously there has been no looking into this individual, no source criticism or analysis.

Comical

Steve

Connect him to the murder sites. And give data for a motive. Please.

Just do no not tell me he "lived in the area", had anatomical knowledge and was placed in an asylum.

Regards, Pierre

[David Orsam]

And in this forum the bias appears in the form of an old ghost from 1888.

Oh, I forgot: Often in the company of another old ghost from 1888, The Lunatic.

And The Butcher.

And the police officer?

[Pierre]

No, Steve. It is the incredible degree of bias of 1888. Aaron Kosminski, David Cohen, Joseph Isaacs, Michael Ostrog (described as a Polish Jew), Jacob Levy and all the rest.

"Jewish Chronicle (U.K.)
Friday, 12 October 1888

NOTES OF THE WEEK.

There are not wanting signs of a deliberate attempt to connect the Jews with the Whitechapel murders. A butcher writes to a contemporary to suggest that the character of the incisions is such that they were made by a butcher, and thence he jumps to the conclusion that it was a Jewish butcher, a trade rival exclusively employed by Jews. Now we have made it our business to ascertain whether this could be. Dr. Gordon Browne, the City Divisional Surgeon, to whom the City detectives submitted the body and to whom the knives used by the Jewish slaughterers have also been shown, has authorised us to state that he is thoroughly satisfied that none of the knives have been used. We may add that the Jewish slaughterers are a very small, learned and respectable number of persons whom nobody acquainted with them would suspect. As a make weight the report has been thrown in that the murderer wrote on the wall in a neighbouring street "Shall the Jews be blamed for nothing?" But if this inscription ever existed, if it had reference to the murders, if it was the work of the murderer, it was written to throw the public off the scent, not to put them on. The peculiar horror entertained by Jews of any mutilation of the human body after death is either unknown to, or concealed by, the theorists. To us it seems wrong for respectable newspapers to lend their columns to such suggestions, which are the work of ignorance if not of malice. We observe with satisfaction that the more ably conducted journals refrain from reproducing them."

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/jewish_chronicle/jc881012.html

And in this forum the bias appears in the form of an old ghost from 1888.

Oh, I forgot: Often in the company of another old ghost from 1888, The Lunatic.

And The Butcher.

Regards, Pierre

The use of these ideal types does not follow empirical methods but theoretical hypotheses, where you deduce from ideal types and apply their typology on people you think are similar to the types.

And the types were created in 1888. It was their first attempts to do "profiling".

So empirical material is forgotten and the ghosts (ideal types from the past) live on forever as potential "Jack the Rippers".

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Pierre

Is the view that we cannot consider a member of the Jewish faith then?

How do we justify excluding a large percentage of the population in the area in 1888?


It is obviously there has been no looking into this individual, no source criticism or analysis.

Comical

Steve

No, Steve. It is the incredible degree of bias of 1888. Aaron Kosminski, David Cohen, Joseph Isaacs, Michael Ostrog (described as a Polish Jew), Jacob Levy and all the rest.

"Jewish Chronicle (U.K.)
Friday, 12 October 1888

NOTES OF THE WEEK.

There are not wanting signs of a deliberate attempt to connect the Jews with the Whitechapel murders. A butcher writes to a contemporary to suggest that the character of the incisions is such that they were made by a butcher, and thence he jumps to the conclusion that it was a Jewish butcher, a trade rival exclusively employed by Jews. Now we have made it our business to ascertain whether this could be. Dr. Gordon Browne, the City Divisional Surgeon, to whom the City detectives submitted the body and to whom the knives used by the Jewish slaughterers have also been shown, has authorised us to state that he is thoroughly satisfied that none of the knives have been used. We may add that the Jewish slaughterers are a very small, learned and respectable number of persons whom nobody acquainted with them would suspect. As a make weight the report has been thrown in that the murderer wrote on the wall in a neighbouring street "Shall the Jews be blamed for nothing?" But if this inscription ever existed, if it had reference to the murders, if it was the work of the murderer, it was written to throw the public off the scent, not to put them on. The peculiar horror entertained by Jews of any mutilation of the human body after death is either unknown to, or concealed by, the theorists. To us it seems wrong for respectable newspapers to lend their columns to such suggestions, which are the work of ignorance if not of malice. We observe with satisfaction that the more ably conducted journals refrain from reproducing them."

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/jewish_chronicle/jc881012.html

And in this forum the bias appears in the form of an old ghost from 1888.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Dear Pierre

Have you read any of the sources from the time on this man.

That view above portrays an incredible degree of bias.

Steve

No, Steve. It is the incredible degree of bias of 1888. Aaron Kosminski, David Cohen, Joseph Isaacs, Michael Ostrog (described as a Polish Jew), Jacob Levy and all the rest.

"Jewish Chronicle (U.K.)
Friday, 12 October 1888

NOTES OF THE WEEK.

There are not wanting signs of a deliberate attempt to connect the Jews with the Whitechapel murders. A butcher writes to a contemporary to suggest that the character of the incisions is such that they were made by a butcher, and thence he jumps to the conclusion that it was a Jewish butcher, a trade rival exclusively employed by Jews. Now we have made it our business to ascertain whether this could be. Dr. Gordon Browne, the City Divisional Surgeon, to whom the City detectives submitted the body and to whom the knives used by the Jewish slaughterers have also been shown, has authorised us to state that he is thoroughly satisfied that none of the knives have been used. We may add that the Jewish slaughterers are a very small, learned and respectable number of persons whom nobody acquainted with them would suspect. As a make weight the report has been thrown in that the murderer wrote on the wall in a neighbouring street "Shall the Jews be blamed for nothing?" But if this inscription ever existed, if it had reference to the murders, if it was the work of the murderer, it was written to throw the public off the scent, not to put them on. The peculiar horror entertained by Jews of any mutilation of the human body after death is either unknown to, or concealed by, the theorists. To us it seems wrong for respectable newspapers to lend their columns to such suggestions, which are the work of ignorance if not of malice. We observe with satisfaction that the more ably conducted journals refrain from reproducing them."

http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/jewish_chronicle/jc881012.html

And in this forum the bias appears in the form of an old ghost from 1888.

Oh, I forgot: Often in the company of another old ghost from 1888, The Lunatic.

And The Butcher.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

The 1888 serial killer view = The 1888 serial killer jew.

Regards, Pierre

Dear Pierre

Have you read any of the sources from the time on this man.

That view above portrays an incredible degree of bias.

Steve

[Pierre]

For me there is only one candidate to be the Whitechapel murderer and that is the jew Jacob Levy . He used to work as a butcherer and he used his knowledge with the knife when he killed and mutilated his victims . When he disembowelled Eddows in complete darkness there can only be someone with similar knowledge lika a butcherer to do that . And the whole point with mutilating the poor victims was because that Levy had in the past recieved syhpilis from a hooker and when it turned out that this sickness of his was brought to his children and made their faces deformed he wanted revenge . And right after the last murder he was sent to a hospital for mental treatment . And when he died in 1891 the whole investigation of the Whitechapel murderer was abruptely closed without explaniation . Thats my conclusion !

The 1888 serial killer view = The 1888 serial killer jew.

Regards, Pierre

[lilyofthevalley]

Thank you TJI for answering some questions and also for the excellent work on Levy so far. We may never know the real name of JtR, but I think Levy is worth the investigation.
I think 1881 is too early for Levy to be mixed up with Kosminksi.

[tji]

Hi Mysterysinger

it is a good read but he actually got all the information from here and the article written on Jacob in the Ripperologist magazine.

[MysterySinger]

Night time reading....

https://saucyjacky.wordpress.com/suspects/my-top-3-suspects/1-jacob-levy/