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    So Lechmere/Cross's wife has recently come up on other threads. What do we know about her?

    Another question: Does that fact Lechmere was married hurt or help the theory Fisherman has put forth?

    Anyone?

    Columbo

  • #2
    D o we really need another thread on this? Enough already! Is this site The Lechmere Casebook.

    Miss Marple

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Columbo View Post
      So Lechmere/Cross's wife has recently come up on other threads. What do we know about her?

      Another question: Does that fact Lechmere was married hurt or help the theory Fisherman has put forth?

      Anyone?

      Columbo
      Sure. It is a problem for Fisherman that Lechmere was married. The existence of wife and kids explain why Lechmere did not give the name of the family in the newspapers.

      Regards, Pierre

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      • #4
        Originally posted by miss marple View Post
        D o we really need another thread on this? Enough already! Is this site The Lechmere Casebook.

        Miss Marple
        Actually Miss Marple (love your books by the way) This is the Lechmere/Cross section so I'm thinking this is appropriate.

        At least it's not about timing or names.

        Columbo

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Columbo View Post
          So Lechmere/Cross's wife has recently come up on other threads. What do we know about her?

          Another question: Does that fact Lechmere was married hurt or help the theory Fisherman has put forth?

          Anyone?

          Columbo
          Hi columbo
          generally it does neither-as many serial killers were married.

          but just a point- Specifically, I have found it hard to believe that a serial killer would kill, mutilate and remove organs on his way to work. But as Fish pointed out, being married this might be the only opportunity he had. So in this particular point I think it helps.
          "Is all that we see or seem
          but a dream within a dream?"

          -Edgar Allan Poe


          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

          -Frederick G. Abberline

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          • #6
            Elizabeth Bostock, born May 20, 1849. Died September 21:st, in Stratford, London. Buried at Tower Hamlets Cemetery, London.
            Father: Thomas Bay Bostock, a lighterman.
            Mother: Susannah Ann Bostock, née Bland.
            Twelve brothers and sisters.
            Both parents and Elizabeth were illiterate.

            Does it help the theory that Lechmere had a wife and family? Or is it something that lowers the probability that he was the killer?

            Arguments can be put forward for both suggestions. There is nothing to negate that family men with kids could be serialists, anyhow. The examples are there.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
              Hi columbo
              generally it does neither-as many serial killers were married.

              but just a point- Specifically, I have found it hard to believe that a serial killer would kill, mutilate and remove organs on his way to work. But as Fish pointed out, being married this might be the only opportunity he had. So in this particular point I think it helps.
              Hi Abby,

              I had a similar thought as well. I know a lot of killers are married with children, etc., and I wonder back then if, given the circumstances, the wife would not be as inclined to pay as much attention with the amount of work she must've have keeping the home together.

              Columbo

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Columbo View Post
                Hi Abby,

                I had a similar thought as well. I know a lot of killers are married with children, etc., and I wonder back then if, given the circumstances, the wife would not be as inclined to pay as much attention with the amount of work she must've have keeping the home together.

                Columbo
                Many wives back then also "Knew their place" and would never question the "Lord and Master".

                Others were strong women who the man wouldn't question.
                G U T

                There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  Elizabeth Bostock, born May 20, 1849. Died September 21:st, in Stratford, London. Buried at Tower Hamlets Cemetery, London.
                  Father: Thomas Bay Bostock, a lighterman.
                  Mother: Susannah Ann Bostock, née Bland.
                  Twelve brothers and sisters.
                  Both parents and Elizabeth were illiterate.

                  Does it help the theory that Lechmere had a wife and family? Or is it something that lowers the probability that he was the killer?

                  Arguments can be put forward for both suggestions. There is nothing to negate that family men with kids could be serialists, anyhow. The examples are there.
                  I agree. I'm curious, as mentioned to Abby, about the circumstances of their home life. Was she so busy that she only got snippets of news and quite possibly never equated her husband to the murders? I'm speculating of course as we'll never know, but as in the Yorkshire Ripper case it's been suggested his wife had suspicions but never reported them.

                  Or is it possible that the Lechmere home life was so busy for both that he didn't have the luxury of going anywhere but work and home?

                  Do we know if his wife worked? I imagine not.

                  Columbo

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GUT View Post
                    Many wives back then also "Knew their place" and would never question the "Lord and Master".

                    Others were strong women who the man wouldn't question.
                    That's true as well.

                    Columbo

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Columbo View Post
                      I agree. I'm curious, as mentioned to Abby, about the circumstances of their home life. Was she so busy that she only got snippets of news and quite possibly never equated her husband to the murders? I'm speculating of course as we'll never know, but as in the Yorkshire Ripper case it's been suggested his wife had suspicions but never reported them.

                      Or is it possible that the Lechmere home life was so busy for both that he didn't have the luxury of going anywhere but work and home?

                      Do we know if his wife worked? I imagine not.

                      Columbo
                      The wife of serial killer Herb Baumeister was said to have only cooperated with the police after her husband's behavior seemed to become more disturbing to her. One of the things which she suspected was how often he claimed he needed to take "business trips" away from their main home.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Baumeister
                      http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/baumeister-herbert.htm

                      Re the wife working-- most late 19th to early 20th century wives in American census reports answer "Keeping House" when their occupation is asked.

                      I think raising 10 children and keeping the house in good order, was work enough, don't you?
                      Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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                      Von Konigswald: Jack the Ripper plays shuffleboard. -- Happy Birthday, Wanda June by Kurt Vonnegut, c.1970.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post
                        The wife of serial killer Herb Baumeister was said to have only cooperated with the police after her husband's behavior seemed to become more disturbing to her. One of the things which she suspected was how often he claimed he needed to take "business trips" away from their main home.
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Baumeister
                        http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/baumeister-herbert.htm

                        Re the wife working-- most late 19th to early 20th century wives in American census reports answer "Keeping House" when their occupation is asked.

                        I think raising 10 children and keeping the house in good order, was work enough, don't you?
                        It would be for my wife. Thanks for the info.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pcdunn View Post
                          The wife of serial killer Herb Baumeister was said to have only cooperated with the police after her husband's behavior seemed to become more disturbing to her. One of the things which she suspected was how often he claimed he needed to take "business trips" away from their main home.
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Baumeister
                          http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/baumeister-herbert.htm

                          Re the wife working-- most late 19th to early 20th century wives in American census reports answer "Keeping House" when their occupation is asked.

                          I think raising 10 children and keeping the house in good order, was work enough, don't you?
                          With 10 kids I'd take lots of business trips too.
                          G U T

                          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GUT View Post
                            With 10 kids I'd take lots of business trips too.
                            Lol.... but Herb only had 2 or 3 kids I think....
                            Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
                            ---------------
                            Von Konigswald: Jack the Ripper plays shuffleboard. -- Happy Birthday, Wanda June by Kurt Vonnegut, c.1970.
                            ---------------

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GUT View Post
                              Many wives back then also "Knew their place" and would never question the "Lord and Master".

                              Others were strong women who the man wouldn't question.
                              Generally speaking, 1888 was more of man´s world than todays version. I think there was more male oppression then than now, and that it was condoned by society to a larger degree.

                              That is the general picture. It says nothing specifically about the Lechmeres.

                              As you will know, I am saying that if Lechmere was the killer, then he was a psychopath.
                              When psychopaths look for spouses, they typically choose them from one of two camps (according to a psychologist specializing in crime): They either marry somebody who is a mirror image of themselves - a psychopath - or they marry somebody who is inferior to themselves, and who they can easily control.
                              Elizabeth Bostock was an illiterate woman from a very humble background. Charles Lechmere came from a high-brow background, could read and write and was ambitious enough to start his own business.

                              It proves nothing, but makes for an interesting backdrop.

                              You have all seen the picture of Charles Lechmere. There is a corresponding picture of his wife, taken on the same occasion and at the same spot. Where Charles stands with a very self-assured attitude, seemingly in control of matters, Elizabeth looks like most people did on these early photos - she stands to attention, straight up, arms along her sides, looking a lot less at ease than Charles.

                              It proves nothing but makes for an interesting backdrop.

                              And, of course, regardless of how they were buried in the same cemetery, twenty years dividing their deaths, Elizabeth was not laid to rest alongside Charles when she passed away in 1940.

                              It proves nothing but makes for an interesting backdrop.

                              But we know terribly little about them when it comes to their everyday life; next to nothing. There are pictures of their kids in nice clothing, implicating that they were cared for, and one may perhaps think that this showed that they were responsible parents.
                              Then again, if we take a look at how a psychopath works, it is abundantly clear that they are normally very ambitious people, who like to show off. They are likely to be in charge in many a way, bosses at work and taking control of matters to as high a degree as possible.

                              In the end, it is very much a matter of which angle we look at things from.

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