To diagnose a serial killer

[GUT]

Is that a hint that Sanity Clause was the Ripper?

Nope it was Rudolph.

[The Good Michael]

Nope it was Rudolph.

Valentino may have been to young a man to have done such a thing, in fact he wasn't born yet, but as good as Lechmere at least...just a joke Fish.


Mike

[GUT]

Valentino may have been to young a man to have done such a thing, in fact he wasn't born yet, but as good as Lechmere at least...just a joke Fish.


Mike

Rudolph was a Reindeer not a fish.

[Fisherman]

Valentino may have been to young a man to have done such a thing, in fact he wasn't born yet, but as good as Lechmere at least...just a joke Fish.


Mike

And a sheik one at that...

[Pierre]

There is a big difference between having (or not having) a psychiatric disorder and being Criminally (in)sane.

Sanity is purely a legal test

PD = Personality Disorder. My fault.

Regards Pierre

[DJA]

PD = Personality Disorder. My fault.

Regards Pierre

Not really.

You were possibly born that way.

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Simon. Just so.

Before one holds forth on serial killers, one must be sure there are serial killings.

Cheers.
LC

[curious4]

There is a big difference between having (or not having) a psychiatric disorder and being Criminally (in)sane.

Sanity is purely a legal test

Hello GUT

Could you explain the difference? No problem understanding what a personality disorder is, but how do you get a verdict of criminally insane without some kind of diagnosis of mental illness?

Best wishes
C4

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Simon,

And just because there is no evidence as far as you can see, and given that we do have a lot of what you call bogus rubbish, that still doesn´t mean that Jack the Ripper didn´t exist.

I can understand your interest in the deconstruction of ripperology but such methods aren´t methods for solving murder cases.

Regards Pierre

When you look closely at the murders you can likely as not link three to the same killer Eddowes Chapman and Nichols. So I guess on that basis you could say a serial killer was at work but as Simon says there wasn't a Jack the Ripper the name was not invented by the killer via the letters etc.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[John G]

Criminal insanity is determined by the McNaughton Rules, which requires the condition to be a "disease of the mind", and therefore not necessarily a disease of the brain. This is a legal rather than a medical question, which is why being in the state of hypoglycaemia night allow for an insanity defence: see R v Quick.

[curious4]

Criminal insanity is determined by the McNaughton Rules, which requires the condition to be a "disease of the mind", and therefore not necessarily a disease of the brain. This is a legal rather than a medical question, which is why being in the state of hypoglycaemia night allow for an insanity defence: see R v Quick.

Thanks John

Fascinating. I was familiar with the McNaughten rules but not in detail, and especially the more recent judgements.

Best wishes
C4

[GUT]

Criminal insanity is determined by the McNaughton Rules, which requires the condition to be a "disease of the mind", and therefore not necessarily a disease of the brain. This is a legal rather than a medical question, which is why being in the state of hypoglycaemia night allow for an insanity defence: see R v Quick.

Show an inability to know right from wrong, regardless of the cause, and MacNaughten kicks in.

Had a client once, committed an awful murder made Jack's look tame anyone would have said she was as mad as a hatter, even the psych said she had major mental health problems including PTSD, she went down because of steps she took to hide it (showed she knew what she'd done was wrong) pretty sure she was the first women here, to get Life means life.

[curious4]

Show an inability to know right from wrong, regardless of the cause, and MacNaughten kicks in.

Had a client once, committed an awful murder made Jack's look tame anyone would have said she was as mad as a hatter, even the psych said she had major mental health problems including PTSD, she went down because of steps she took to hide it (showed she knew what she'd done was wrong) pretty sure she was the first women here, to get Life means life.

Hello GUT

That really does explain things clearly. Wow!
Thanks.

Then I suppose Jack would be deemed insane, as he made no effort to hide anything. (Except himself of course).

Best wishes
C4

[GUT]

Hello GUT

That really does explain things clearly. Wow!
Thanks.

Best wishes
C4

That was the "Nutshell" version, the one mentioned earlier with hyperglycemia (or was it hypo) would have been because such a condition can cause confusion and obviously t was accepted that the confusion caused was severe enough to interfere in capacity to understand right from wrong.

One exception is when you have bough on the inability yourself (in most jurisdictions anyway) by drugs or alcohol.

[John G]

That was the "Nutshell" version, the one mentioned earlier with hyperglycemia (or was it hypo) would have been because such a condition can cause confusion and obviously t was accepted that the confusion caused was severe enough to interfere in capacity to understand right from wrong.

One exception is when you have bough on the inability yourself (in most jurisdictions anyway) by drugs or alcohol.

Hi GUT,

Yes, I think you noticed my deliberate mistake! Of course, hyperglycaemia, not taking insulin, might allow for an insanity defence, because this a condition caused by diabetes, I.e. naturally occurring high blood sugar rather than an external factor: R v Hennessey (1989). On the other hand, hypoglycaemia, caused by taking too much insulin, or not eating sufficient food, would not allow for an insanity defence, because this condition is reasonably foreseeable and caused external factors: R v Quick 1957 ).