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  • #721
    Except I gave the examples #708 at 1:20

    Patrick referred to them #713 at 3:53.

    Not sure how that's before I mention them.

    I know I'm from down under but time doesn't go backwards here and 1:20 is before 3:53 by about 2 1/2 hours isn't it?
    G U T

    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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    • #722
      Originally posted by David Orsam View Post
      Yes, the thread is here Columbo:

      Buck's Row Timings - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums
      http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8558
      Discussion for general Whitechapel geography, mapping and routes the killer might have taken. Also the place for general census information and "what was it like in Whitechapel" discussions.


      You need to read both #1 and #16 because I did two separate exercises having initially been misled by the TV documentary which said "the street layout is the same now as it was over a century ago". It turns out it isn't!
      David,

      I just finished your thread and I have to say that was excellent research. I didn't realize you were an author until I clicked on the link on the bottom of the post.

      If no one has read this yet, they need to. This is the kind of information that should be posted before arguments ensue.

      I appreciate you sharing this with us.

      Columbo

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      • #723
        Originally posted by GUT View Post
        But they spelt it wrong so it's possible that if faced with a choice between Lechmere and Cross they would go with Cross.
        Absolutely possible. I have a hard time wrapping my head around why he would mention both and no paper would mention it. Just supposition on my part.

        Columbo

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        • #724
          Originally posted by GUT View Post
          Except I gave the examples #708 at 1:20

          Patrick referred to them #713 at 3:53.

          Not sure how that's before I mention them.

          I know I'm from down under but time doesn't go backwards here and 1:20 is before 3:53 by about 2 1/2 hours isn't it?
          Had to sort that one out. It's been a long day.

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          • #725
            Originally posted by Ausgirl View Post
            Guys, I think he's figured out your machiavellian tag-team approach. You've been sprung, old cocks.
            That's right! I'm on to all you Lechmere haters! Why can't you just conform!

            I'm kidding of course.


            I don't think you should be calling them that...

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            • #726
              Originally posted by Columbo View Post
              I don't think you should be calling them that...
              It's not libel, if it's true.

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              • #727
                Originally posted by Ausgirl View Post
                It's not libel, if it's true.
                Originally posted by Columbo View Post
                That's right! I'm on to all you Lechmere haters! Why can't you just conform!

                I'm kidding of course.


                I don't think you should be calling them that...
                What shouldn't she call us, that big $10 word or old cocks?
                G U T

                There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                • #728
                  Originally posted by GUT View Post
                  What shouldn't she call us, that big $10 word or old cocks?
                  Old..

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                  • #729
                    Originally posted by Patrick S View Post
                    3. In researching Lechmere I found him reported in the 1861 census as Charles Cross, 11, living with Thomas Cross and his mother Maria Louisa Cross. We may be able to assume that his name was never legally changed. So that he appears in all official documentation as "Lechmere" but is known to everyone as "Cross" and remained "Cross" for the rest of his life. To me, this seems the simplest and most likely explanation.
                    If there was no problem with someone giving the census taker the name Cross in 1861, it seems unlikely that he wouldn't give it ever again if he usually went by the name Cross. He signed everything Charles Allen Lechmere even when it was likely a document that carried little legal consequence (such as a census).

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                    • #730
                      Originally posted by Columbo View Post
                      Yeah like those. What I was pointing out is that unusual names weren't strange to them.
                      I'd assume not. It's their job.

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                      • #731
                        Originally posted by CertainSum1 View Post
                        I'd assume not. It's their job.
                        Yet can't get Paul (Baul) or Thain (Thail) or Cross first names right.

                        Mustn't have been real good at their jobs, and all those from the same inquest reports that people want to rely on for Cross not once have said "Lechmere", maybe it was the copy boy's day to report.
                        G U T

                        There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                        • #732
                          Originally posted by Columbo View Post
                          Old..
                          You must be English then. A very common term.
                          G U T

                          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                          • #733
                            Originally posted by GUT View Post
                            You must be English then. A very common term.
                            I'm from the USA. I've heard it before, just funnin' ya'll.

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                            • #734
                              Cross could have been at the murder sight longer than he indicates.Quite true.His claim that he had arrived just prior to Paul, also could be quite true.The second claim has more merit because it is given in person,under oath,and subject to questioning.Anyone agree?

                              Can Cross be placed at any other murder site? Surely not going to work,not at work, or coming from work.If Mizen could identify a carman by appearance,so might anyone else,and there is no information a carman was seen in what might be termed suspicious circumstances at any other murder site.

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                              • #735
                                Originally posted by GUT View Post
                                What if he said, my names Charles Allen Lechmere, but I go by Cross, what name do you think the press would use?
                                What name do you think the police would use in their reports, Gut, if they knew his real name was Lechmere...?

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