Charles Lechmere: Prototypical Life of a Serial Killer

[Fiver]

You could similarly ask how someone working 14-18 hours a day could manage to have nine children, assuming he was permanently exhausted.

He did though, so you can't rule out a bit of extra-marital serial killing on that basis.

There are precious few people alive at the time that you could definitely rule out as being JTR, but CAL is one of the least likely suspects.

* Most of Lechmere's actions after finding Nichols' body would be acts of utter stupidity for a guilty man to do.

* Lechmere came forward as a witness of his own accord, even though neither PC Mizen nor Robert Paul knew who he was.

* Chapman was murdered while Lechmere was at work.

* Eddowes and Stride were murdered in a time frame that would have required Lechmere to stay up 23 hours straight or to get up three hours early on his only day off.

* The Ripper took organs from some of his victims. The idea that someone could keep them hidden in a house as full of people as the Lechemre household is ludicrous.

* Contrary to myth, Lechmere was not a meat cart driver. Pickfords was a general delivery service, not a slaughterhouse. And even a slaughterman would have raised eyebrows if he showed up for work covered in fresh blood.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

* Eddowes and Stride were murdered in a time frame that would have required Lechmere to stay up 23 hours straight or to get up three hours early on his only day off.

It looks to me more like 24 hours - assuming one accepts Pc Long's evidence - unless he had a nap after getting home on Saturday before going on the prowl.

Assuming he worked 14-18 hours per day and started at 4 a.m., he finished work at 6 - 10 p.m.

Presumably, he went home and had dinner and then went to bed like the rest of his family.

He then had to get out of bed, get his knife and head for Whitechapel, murder Stride in Berner Street, walk a mile west to Mitre Square, murder Eddowes, go to Goulston Street to deposit the apron piece, and then go back home, clean his knife and put it and Eddowes' kidney somewhere his wife and nine children would not find it, and then get back into bed without his wife noticing his absence or coming across the evidence of his guilt.

If you believe the account given in the documentary that featured Christer and his co-believers, Lechmere killed Stride while on his way home from a visit to his mother's house, even though Berner Street was in the wrong direction, and then headed west to Mitre Square, which was again in the wrong direction.

He certainly packed a lot into 24 hours.

[Abby Normal]

here we go with the lech derangement syndrome again.

first of all, we dont know anything about his character, or claims of being a "good man". from what i see he left a women in obvious need of help lying in the street. he also killed a child. dude sounds like bad news to me.

he has no alibi, nor do we know his work schedule, so its absolutely ludicrous to say he didnt have time or that he would have to stay up for how many hours to kill certain victims. bonkers argument.

He was seen near a freshly killed victim before raising any kind of alarm. He is clearly in the frame for being pollys killer.

Murder victims were killed along his work route and of course there is the Lech triangle. In terms of location, proximity and geograpic arguments hes better than any other suspect hands down.

hes as valid a suspect as any other, and moreso than most.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

A dead woman is not a women in obvious need of help.

He tried to ascertain whether she was alive and then alerted a passer-by as well as a policeman.

He killed a child is a misleading statement, as the child's death was obviously an accident.

he has no alibi is not correct.

There is evidence that the murder occurred before Lechmere left home or before he reached the place where the murder occurred.

He was seen near a freshly killed victim before raising any kind of alarm is a very misleading statement.

He hung around as another man was approaching and drew his attention to the body.

Murder victims were killed along his work route is also very misleading.

Berner Street was not on his way to work and he obviously did not work at 1 a.m. on a Sunday morning nor have the opportunity to spend two hours mutilating a body during working hours.

Some people might consider that to argue that Lechmere killed Nichols and Chapman while on his way to work is much more like a bonkers argument than to point out that he might have had to be awake for 24 hours to do what he is alleged to have done on 30 September 1888.

[FISHY1118]

here we go with the lech derangement syndrome again.

first of all, we dont know anything about his character, or claims of being a "good man". from what i see he left a women in obvious need of help lying in the street. he also killed a child. dude sounds like bad news to me.

he has no alibi, nor do we know his work schedule, so its absolutely ludicrous to say he didnt have time or that he would have to stay up for how many hours to kill certain victims. bonkers argument.

He was seen near a freshly killed victim before raising any kind of alarm. He is clearly in the frame for being pollys killer.

Murder victims were killed along his work route and of course there is the Lech triangle. In terms of location, proximity and geograpic arguments hes better than any other suspect hands down.

hes as valid a suspect as any other, and moreso than most.

His a suspect because people choose to make him one on nothing but circumstancial evidence, just like most .

However "A valid suspect " ?

Well Charles lechmere is at the bottom of the longggg list with the likes of Druitt, Maybrick

And its time they were taken off the list altogether , far too much time has been spent on theses 3 over the years. Can we not find another worthwhile suspect to discuss in the future?

[Abby Normal]

His a suspect because people choose to make him one on nothing but circumstancial evidence, just like most .

However "A valid suspect " ?

Well Charles lechmere is at the bottom of the longggg list with the likes of Druitt, Maybrick

And its time they were taken off the list altogether , far too much time has been spent on theses 3 over the years. Can we not find another worthwhile suspect to discuss in the future?

that you put Druitt, a contemporary police suspect, in the same breath as Maybrick, says it all.

[FISHY1118]

that you put Druitt, a contemporary police suspect, in the same breath as Maybrick, says it all.

Cmon Abby, surely we can put the likes of Druitt and Maybrick in the JTR sin bin for all eternity.

The only reason Druitt was ever a contemporary suspect at the time was he committed suicide not long after the Kelly murder and Macnaghten mentioned him as a better suspect than Cutbush.

Which both are poor excuses for anyone to think he was jtr.

There is nothing of any value we can attribute to Druitt or Maybrick that suggests they were the killer.
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They lack any hard evidence and to much circumstantial evidence which some here think is good enough to hang a man on .

To much time and energy has been wasted on them, and Lechmere for that matter .

Without anything new to suggest otherwise, their duds as suspect .

Let have something new instead of rehashing old suspects who have been shown to be near impossible to have committed the crimes or fake diary and watches that claim the author of such works must be jtr .

All shear nonsense.

[mpriestnall]

Charles Lechmere: Prototypical Life of a Witness

FIFY.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

As Abberline noted, if Druitt had not committed suicide around the time he did, no-one would have suggested that he was the murderer: there is absolutely nothing beyond the fact that he was found at that time to incriminate him.

That means that there could have been no evidence against him and he did not share Macnaghten's suspicions.

My own assertion that Druitt had a alibi for Nichols' murder has caused uproar, but where is the evidence that his alibi did not stand up?

If Druitt was really a suspect, where is the evidence that police enquiries uncovered the 'fact' that he went missing from the tour party in Dorset at such a time as to enable him to commit the murder in London?

Where is the evidence that someone fitting his description was seen boarding a train from Dorset to London, or seen on such a route, or seen returning from London with bloodstained hands, or seen returning to his teammates after having obviously been absent?

Why was no such evidence cited by Macnaghten?

Why was the best he could offer the supposed opinion of Druitt's relatives that he was the murderer - which, even if it were true, would of itself have counted for nothing in any police investigation.

How could Druitt's relatives, none of whom lived with him or saw him frequently, have had any reasonable grounds for suspicion?

There was no case against Druitt and never will be.

[Darryl Kenyon]

As Abberline noted, if Druitt had not committed suicide around the time he did, no-one would have suggested that he was the murderer: there is absolutely nothing beyond the fact that he was found at that time to incriminate him.


My own assertion that Druitt had a alibi for Nichols' murder has caused uproar, but where is the evidence that his alibi did not stand up?

And where is the evidence Druitt had an alibi ? If he did then surely his own family would not think him guilty of such killings.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

And where is the evidence Druitt had an alibi ? If he did then surely his own family would not think him guilty of such killings.

Where is the evidence that Druitt's family believed he was the Whitechapel Murderer?

Why would Druitt's relatives know the result of police investigations concerning his whereabouts on the night of Nichols' murder?

Druitt was on a trip to Dorset at the time of that murder.

Had I claimed that that necessarily amounted to a cast-iron alibi, the uproar which ensued might have had some justification.

None of my critics, it seems, was aware of the distinction between an alibi and a cast-iron alibi.

As it is, I do think that Druitt had a cast-iron alibi.

If he had been a suspect and had not had an alibi, Macnaghten would surely have written something along the lines of: It was found impossible to ascertain his movements on the nights of the Whitechapel murders or his whereabouts at the time of the murders could never be ascertained.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Where is the evidence that Druitt's family believed he was the Whitechapel Murderer?

Why would Druitt's relatives know the result of police investigations concerning his whereabouts on the night of Nichols' murder?

Druitt was on a trip to Dorset at the time of that murder.

Had I claimed that that necessarily amounted to a cast-iron alibi, the uproar which ensued might have had some justification.

None of my critics, it seems, was aware of the distinction between an alibi and a cast-iron alibi.

As it is, I do think that Druitt had a cast-iron alibi.

If he had been a suspect and had not had an alibi, Macnaghten would surely have written something along the lines of: It was found impossible to ascertain his movements on the nights of the Whitechapel murders or his whereabouts at the time of the murders could never be ascertained.

Well MM 's words were - I have little doubt but that his own family believed him to have been the murderer.

If the police did investigate Druitt close enough to establish an alibi surely his family would know about it

Can he be placed in Dorset at the exact time of any of the murders ?

And it was you who suggested Druitt had an alibi [ cast Iron or not ]

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

If the police did investigate Druitt close enough to establish an alibi surely his family would know about it

... but Abberline would not know about it?

[Darryl Kenyon]

... but Abberline would not know about it?

Exactly , if Druitt did have an alibi Abberline would have said so in the newspaper interview

[Abby Normal]

Exactly , if Druitt did have an alibi Abberline would have said so in the newspaper interview

bingo DK
people on here spouting about phantom alibis is really getting out of hand.