Lets get Lechmere off the hook!

[Geddy2112]

A nine minute gap would have meant Rippermere was walking down Hanbury Street around the time that Robert Paul entered Bucks Row. It's yet another way that the Lechmerians undermine thier own theory.

That is the problem, they were involved in the Missing Evidence's evidence more than they will admit. The narrator says Holmgren provided the bundle for Scobie, Blink's director sent Stow a message thanking Holmgren for his evidence he provided and all the while Holmgren denies it.
Proof Scobie was lied to -



However since Holmgren and Stow will not distance themselves from the Missing Evidence because they were complicit in it's production then they have to stand by it. The Missing Evidence was an absolute s*it show, 30 plus factual errors in 42 mins. Hardly a good way to prove your case. The YouTube sheep love it though.

[Herlock Sholmes]

A nine minute gap would have meant Rippermere was walking down Hanbury Street around the time that Robert Paul entered Bucks Row. It's yet another way that the Lechmerians undermine thier own theory.

Fiver, have you still got that list of all the stupid things that the fan club have stooped to using to falsely accuse the transparently innocent Cross of being the ripper?

[Abby Normal]

I haven’t seen the word ‘meece’ for years Abby. Since I was a kid watching an old cartoon called Pixie and Dixie about a cat and a mouse. The cat used to say “I hate meeces to pieces!)

You brought back a memory there Abby.

lol. at least lech has inspired an interesting and entertaining thread !

[Herlock Sholmes]

lol. at least lech has inspired an interesting and entertaining thread !

Exasperating might be another word Abby.

[Herlock Sholmes]

That is the problem, they were involved in the Missing Evidence's evidence more than they will admit. The narrator says Holmgren provided the bundle for Scobie, Blink's director sent Stow a message thanking Holmgren for his evidence he provided and all the while Holmgren denies it.
Proof Scobie was lied to -



However since Holmgren and Stow will not distance themselves from the Missing Evidence because they were complicit in it's production then they have to stand by it. The Missing Evidence was an absolute s*it show, 30 plus factual errors in 42 mins. Hardly a good way to prove your case. The YouTube sheep love it though.

Yup. And people still spout on about a gap. How can anything be simpler? Why should it need explaining? The answer of course isn’t that they don’t understand its that the ‘3.30’ as opposed to the actual ‘about 3.30’ is part of a childish bit of deception. Those that don’t know the case fell for it.

[Fiver]

Fiver, have you still got that list of all the stupid things that the fan club have stooped to using to falsely accuse the transparently innocent Cross of being the ripper?

Dis you mean this? (Slightly expanded from the original.)

Tenets of the Cult of Lechmere are:
* Lechmere must have resented the single mom that raised him, not the alcoholic, bankrupt, deadbeat Dad who dodged a manslaughter charge and abandoned the family to shack up with a teenager.
* Lechmere's mom, who waited the legally required 7 years before remarrying, was a bigamist. Lechmere's dad wasn't a bigamist because he never actually married the other woman.
* Lechmere's mom was a rigid moralist and/or completely promiscuous, which is why he hated prostitutes.
* Lechmere deliberately ran over a child with his van in 1876.
* Lechmere was a meat cart driver. This would provide him with an excuse for fresh bloodstains acquired on his walk to work.
* Lechmere worked as a cats meat man. This would provide him with a good knowledge of anatomy.
* Lechmere's family moving several times is proof that he was the Ripper.
* The murders started right after Lechmere moved to the area.
* All the murders occurred during Lechmere's walk to work and on that route.
* The Ripper tried to hide Nichols' injuries.
* Bleed out times are easily calculated and a reliable means of determining time of death and prove that only Lechmere could have been the Ripper.
* Robert Paul caught Lechmere standing/crouching over the body of Polly Nichols.
* Lechmere was the only person near Nichols' body with no alibi.
* It's more credible for the Ripper to try to bluff Robert Paul and PC Mizen than to fade away into the darkness.
* Carmen wore hobnailed boots that echoed loudly down the street for at least a block. This is why Lechmere was able to escape silent and undetected from all the other murder scenes.
* Lechmere's refusal to prop up Nichols body proves that he is the Ripper.
* Lechmere's acting like an innocent man is proof that he is the Ripper.
* Robert Paul's time estimate is right. PC Mizen, PC Thain, PC Neil were wrong.
* Lechmere lied about when he left home.
* Lechmere lied to PC Mizen.
* Robert Paul lied about speaking to PC Mizen.
* Lechmere, Paul, and Mizen all lied about Paul and Lechmere being together when they met Mizen.
* Lechmere tried to avoid going to the police and only came forward because Robert Paul spoke to the press.
* Lechmere didn't give his home address at the inquest.
* Lechmere wearing his work uniform to the inquest is proof that he is the Ripper.
* Lechmere lied to his family about attending the inquest.
* Lechmere tried to hide his identity.
* Three eyewitnesses lied about Chapman's time of death.
* Lechmere left his van unattended and took tea a half hour into his 14+ hour shift so he could get murdery on Chapman.
* Lechmere had no problem getting up 3+ hours early on his only day off or staying up 23+ hours straight to murder Stride and Eddowes.
* The torn piece of Eddowes apron lies on a direct line between Eddowes body and Lechmere's home.
* The Ripper was the same person as the Torso Killer.
* Lechmere would have had no problem hiding trophy organs or even whole decomposing bodies from his large family.
* A bloody rag found near the London Hospital the day after the Pinchin Street Torso was found is tied to that crime and proves that Lechmere was the Ripper.
* Lechmere's great great grandchildren not knowing he attended the Nichols inquest is proof that Lechmere lied to his family.

All of these are either provably false or unsupported speculation. And not every Sect of the Cult of Lechmere holds to all of these Tenets. The two main Sects, the Fishies and the Von Stows, probably don't agree on all points. And neither Fishy nor Von Stow created the theory. Plenty of people disavow the Misogynist Sect, the Ley Line Sect, and/or the TorsoRipper Sect.

And there are more reasonable people who think Lechmere is decent suspect, but they get drowned out by the True Believers.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Dis you mean this? (Slightly expanded from the original.)

Tenets of the Cult of Lechmere are:
* Lechmere must have resented the single mom that raised him, not the alcoholic, bankrupt, deadbeat Dad who dodged a manslaughter charge and abandoned the family to shack up with a teenager.
* Lechmere's mom, who waited the legally required 7 years before remarrying, was a bigamist. Lechmere's dad wasn't a bigamist because he never actually married the other woman.
* Lechmere's mom was a rigid moralist and/or completely promiscuous, which is why he hated prostitutes.
* Lechmere deliberately ran over a child with his van in 1876.
* Lechmere was a meat cart driver. This would provide him with an excuse for fresh bloodstains acquired on his walk to work.
* Lechmere worked as a cats meat man. This would provide him with a good knowledge of anatomy.
* Lechmere's family moving several times is proof that he was the Ripper.
* The murders started right after Lechmere moved to the area.
* All the murders occurred during Lechmere's walk to work and on that route.
* The Ripper tried to hide Nichols' injuries.
* Bleed out times are easily calculated and a reliable means of determining time of death and prove that only Lechmere could have been the Ripper.
* Robert Paul caught Lechmere standing/crouching over the body of Polly Nichols.
* Lechmere was the only person near Nichols' body with no alibi.
* It's more credible for the Ripper to try to bluff Robert Paul and PC Mizen than to fade away into the darkness.
* Carmen wore hobnailed boots that echoed loudly down the street for at least a block. This is why Lechmere was able to escape silent and undetected from all the other murder scenes.
* Lechmere's refusal to prop up Nichols body proves that he is the Ripper.
* Lechmere's acting like an innocent man is proof that he is the Ripper.
* Robert Paul's time estimate is right. PC Mizen, PC Thain, PC Neil were wrong.
* Lechmere lied about when he left home.
* Lechmere lied to PC Mizen.
* Robert Paul lied about speaking to PC Mizen.
* Lechmere, Paul, and Mizen all lied about Paul and Lechmere being together when they met Mizen.
* Lechmere tried to avoid going to the police and only came forward because Robert Paul spoke to the press.
* Lechmere didn't give his home address at the inquest.
* Lechmere wearing his work uniform to the inquest is proof that he is the Ripper.
* Lechmere lied to his family about attending the inquest.
* Lechmere tried to hide his identity.
* Three eyewitnesses lied about Chapman's time of death.
* Lechmere left his van unattended and took tea a half hour into his 14+ hour shift so he could get murdery on Chapman.
* Lechmere had no problem getting up 3+ hours early on his only day off or staying up 23+ hours straight to murder Stride and Eddowes.
* The torn piece of Eddowes apron lies on a direct line between Eddowes body and Lechmere's home.
* The Ripper was the same person as the Torso Killer.
* Lechmere would have had no problem hiding trophy organs or even whole decomposing bodies from his large family.
* A bloody rag found near the London Hospital the day after the Pinchin Street Torso was found is tied to that crime and proves that Lechmere was the Ripper.
* Lechmere's great great grandchildren not knowing he attended the Nichols inquest is proof that Lechmere lied to his family.

All of these are either provably false or unsupported speculation. And not every Sect of the Cult of Lechmere holds to all of these Tenets. The two main Sects, the Fishies and the Von Stows, probably don't agree on all points. And neither Fishy nor Von Stow created the theory. Plenty of people disavow the Misogynist Sect, the Ley Line Sect, and/or the TorsoRipper Sect.

And there are more reasonable people who think Lechmere is decent suspect, but they get drowned out by the True Believers.

That’s the one. It beggars belief doesn’t it? And they have the nerve to criticise those who see that Cross is a non-suspect. We don’t need to make things up. Just follow the evidence and he’s a gonner.

[Lewis C]

Here are two more that I've seen people say on Youtube (though the first is similar to one of the above):

Lechmere walked past every Ripper murder site at the exact time that each murder occurred.

Lechmere couldn't run when Paul approached because if he had run, that would have proved he was the murderer, so he had no choice but to bluff his way out of it.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Here are two more that I've seen people say on Youtube (though the first is similar to one of the above):

Lechmere walked past every Ripper murder site at the exact time that each murder occurred.

Lechmere couldn't run when Paul approached because if he had run, that would have proved he was the murderer, so he had no choice but to bluff his way out of it.

It like being in a Marx Brothers movie Lewis. Just we]hen you think they can’t come out with something less silly they do just that.

It’s quite an achievement, like the sentence that they use “caught next to a freshly killed corpse.” How can you cram 3 wrongs into a 7 word sentence?

[Fiver]

You had better go on, and if you see a policeman tell him

Lechmere, the “concerned passerby,” who just happened to be standing alone... in the dark ... near Nichols’ bleeding breathing body, is looking more and more like a man with a very guilty conscience... and an even guiltier set of actions..

You have yet to show the slightest bit of evidence against Cross.

Lechmere called Paul over, refused to help when it mattered, tried to send Paul off alone, and then lied to a policeman to get away without being checked....

If that doesn’t scream guilt, what does?
It's time to face reality... This isn’t “concerned passerby” behavior. This is get-out of jail free card behavior.

The Baron

* Cross called Paul over. PC Neil called two other constables over. Davis called over two men working nearby. Diemshutz called over a whole club. PC Watkins called over a watchman, Morris. Thomas Bowyer called over his boss, John McCarthy. PC Andrews called over Isaac Jacobs.

Why is this a sign of guilt for Cross, but not for the other men?

* How can Cross not wanting to prop up the body be refusing to help? If Nichols was dead, it wouldn't help. If Nichols was wounded or injured, propping her up could only make things worse.

* Cross didn't send Paul off on his own. PC Neil did send other men off while he stayed with the body. So did PC Watkin. And John McCarthy.

Why is this a sign of guilt for Cross, but not for the other men?

* If Cross lied to PC Mizen, then so did Robert Paul. Why is this a sign of guilt for Cross, but not for the other man?