Lets get Lechmere off the hook!

[pinkmoon]

False name but correct address makes no sense could be the world's most stupid killer or innocent.

[Chris]

If his haplogroup wasn't T1a1, he's obviously in the clear.

(Just kidding!!!)

[Harry D]

False name but correct address makes no sense could be the world's most stupid killer or innocent.

Not to mention caz's fine point that if Crossmere was the Moriarty that 'Team Lech' claim him to be, why didn't he twist the truth about his timing?

[RockySullivan]

Is there anything that indicates Lechmere had a good enough grasp of the anatomy to know how to remove the uterus, kidneys, intestines in a few minutes in the dark?

What at all is there to indicate Lechmere was handy enough with a knife to remove the organs?

If Lechmere killed on his way to work (which seems unlikely for the ripper, more logical he'd be killing on his nights off) what if he got bloodied? He couldn't likely go into work all bloodied up now could he?

[Harriet the Student]

Is it likely that he would have planned to commit a murder on his way to, or just before, work? If he was wanting to use it as a cover for being potentially covered in blood, wouldn't it make more sense to commit the murder after he had finished for the day rather than before he'd started? I was also curious as to whether there was anything other than his connection to each of the murder sites that tied him to the other murders, does he match any eyewitness descriptions or anything like that?

Thought it was a great documentary, and I like the theory

[pinkmoon]

What we have to remember here is that whoever our killer was he wasn't a superman he was a very disturbed person who wasn't using a very sophisticated method to murder his victims after killing them and mutilating he simply ran or walked of .If cross was our killer he didn't leg it with poor Polly but he did with the other ones I do feel people try to make our killer into some type of criminal genius.

[Fisherman]

Not wanting to argue for the sake of argument, or discount the discussion here out of hand, but isn't that a reversal of the burden of proof? I always thought the onus should be on you to convince me he was the Ripper, or a more likely candidate than other suspects? There is no need to out and out discredit the theory if it does not best explain the evidence.

See post 22!

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Having considered over tea, I think that this is very simple.

Nothing to date has been put forward by Team Lechmere as an indication of Crossmere's guilt that either:

1. Can't be easily dismissed
2. Isn't wholly conjectural

I don't think the theory amounts to very much more than an imaginative construction. I think it makes a great story, but that's essentially what it is.

I am happy to be shown otherwise, of course - but that will take more than personal speculation.

Thanks, Sally!

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

I'd suggest that Harriett Lilley's unbiased though largely misunderstood testimony MIGHT exonerate Charles Cross.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Okay, Tom!

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Not really what you asked for but here are some questions and things I'd like clearer information on:

1) Why would Lechmere give the name Cross and not lie about his whole name?
2) Why did the murders stop? or Evidence that they didn't.
3) Motive/Psychology - any idea what happened with his family?
4) How do we know for sure that there was no blood at the scene when Paul arrived?
5) How do we know for sure how long it would take for blood to flow?
6) If Lechmere was innocent how soon before he arrived would the killer have had to have left the scene.
7) Did Paul speak to Mizen? Are you saying he didn't? (in the other thread)

Cheers!

P.S Isn't burden of proof a lovely get out of jail free card? It's a discussion group isn't it? Not a court. Sheesh!

Hmmm, Bitsie - itīs not a thread for answering questions, itīs a thread for suggestion of things that could put Lechmere in the clear!
Iīll try and answer this tomorrow.

The best,
Fisherman

[Amanda]

We'll...

Hmmm, Bitsie - itīs not a thread for answering questions, itīs a thread for suggestion of things that could put Lechmere in the clear!
Iīll try and answer this tomorrow.

The best,
Fisherman

Hello Fisherman,

Any comment on post 27?

Amanda

[Fisherman]

Hi Fisherman,

I think your Lechmere theory is worth putting my brain matter to work for.

Think I pretty much put my thoughts on the other thread but I would like to challenge you to a task:

For the documentary, you/Channel 5 managed to find a Pickford's specialist (and I can't imagine there are many of those in existence!), whom I presume has access to documents regarding past employees.
What I would like you to do is randomly select a dozen Pickford car men who worked there at the same time as Lechmere.
Next, take a map and circle the homes of said dozen men, then circle the Pickford's yard.
Lastly, I would like you to plot each man's walk to work (bearing in mind the C5 murder locations) and see how many could have taken the same route as Lechmere.

That's it, simple.
Amanda

That would be interesting! Edward has however visited the Pickfordsī archives, and there are no longer any records of those days in existance. Getting access to the Pickfords archives is not something that is granted on an everyday basis either - they made a gracius exception for Edward.

The best,
Fisherman

[Tom_Wescott]

Okay, Tom!

The best,
Fisherman

That's your whole response?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Fisherman]

False name but correct address makes no sense could be the world's most stupid killer or innocent.

Thanks, Pink!

The best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Not to mention caz's fine point that if Crossmere was the Moriarty that 'Team Lech' claim him to be, why didn't he twist the truth about his timing?

I hear you, Harry!

The best,
Fisherman