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I have a few general questions regarding the approximate timings surrounding the discovery of Polly Nichols by Lechmere and the window of opportunity for other potential suspects being JTR.
I have read many threads which try to ascertain the timings between Lechmere finding the body to Paul seeing Lechmere standing by the body and how this could then either implicate Lechmere or negate the need for him to be considered as a suspect in the first place.
However, my point is this...
If we leave Paul to one side and focus more on the timings from Nichols being slain to when Lechmere claims he discovered her body, then we may have a more accurate capability to rule Lechmere either in or out as a strong suspect.
The key perhaps is to base the initial focus on the exact point after PC Neil has passed the murder scene.
This according to Neil was approximately half an hour before.
We can then be certain that the murder took place at some time between PC Neil passing through Bucks Row to the exact moment Lechmere discovered the body.
Establishing the exact timings isn't of course the key aspect, it's whether these timings are viable enough to make Lechmere a truly valid suspect, albeit circumstantially.
It's more than likely that Lechmere would have heard Paul approaching and so it therefore seems more than reasonable to assume that Lechmere himself would have been heard entering Bucks Row by JTR in the exact same way.
Considering that Lechmere never stated that he heard someone ahead of him as he walked up Bucks Row, we can also assume that the real killer would have left the scene BEFORE Lechmere approached.
My question therefore is...
What is maximum amount of possible time between PC Neil passing through the murder site, to when JTR WOULD have heard Lechmere walking down Bucks Row?
And secondly...
Based on the witness statements of BOTH Paul and PC Neil with regards to their relative observations of Nichols, would there have been enough time for JTR to have fled the scene between PC Neil leaving to Lechmere arriving?
In other words, if Paul stated that he thought that Nichols was alive, (albeit barely)
AND PC Neil stated that her arm was quite warm from the joint upwards
Then how long medically would it have taken for Nichols to have succumbed to her wounds in relation to the time it would have taken JTR to have fled before Lechmere arrived?
If Paul and Neil thought she was alive and had a warm arm (respectively,)
...then would there have been time for JTR to have passed down the street (WITH OR WITHOUT NICHOLS) after PC Neil had previously passed through, to then mutilate Nichols, and then leave the crime scene BEFORE Lechmere entered Bucks Row?
PC Neil stated that he passed through about half an hour before.
So if JTR wasn't Lechmere, then how was Nichol's body discovered as both warm (upper arm) by Neil and alive (barely) by Paul
Let's assume that JTR entered Bucks Row very shortly after Neil had left...Would it be even possible for Nichols to have taken so long to have been attacked, strangled, mutilated, bleed out, succumb to her wounds and then STILL remain warm 30 minutes later?!
Based on her condition from both Neil's and Paul's individual perspectives, would it seem much more likely that JTR committed the crime much closer to the moment Lechmere entered Bucks Row rather than when PC Neil had previously passed through?
This would then cut down the time scale and make it much more viable for Nichols to still be displaying signs of life.
Based on he assumption that JTR fled the scene very close to the time Lechmere arrived (BUT long enough for JTR to have fled without Lechmere hearing him)
Then how long could this have viably been?
I also ask this...
If it wasn't Lechmere, then was there enough time for it to have been someone else considering Paul and PC Neil's independent observations?
When you add in Paul and Neil, was there actually time for it to have NOT been Lechmere?
The case continues...
Thoughts, theories and onslaughts please...
TRD
I have a few general questions regarding the approximate timings surrounding the discovery of Polly Nichols by Lechmere and the window of opportunity for other potential suspects being JTR.
I have read many threads which try to ascertain the timings between Lechmere finding the body to Paul seeing Lechmere standing by the body and how this could then either implicate Lechmere or negate the need for him to be considered as a suspect in the first place.
However, my point is this...
If we leave Paul to one side and focus more on the timings from Nichols being slain to when Lechmere claims he discovered her body, then we may have a more accurate capability to rule Lechmere either in or out as a strong suspect.
The key perhaps is to base the initial focus on the exact point after PC Neil has passed the murder scene.
This according to Neil was approximately half an hour before.
We can then be certain that the murder took place at some time between PC Neil passing through Bucks Row to the exact moment Lechmere discovered the body.
Establishing the exact timings isn't of course the key aspect, it's whether these timings are viable enough to make Lechmere a truly valid suspect, albeit circumstantially.
It's more than likely that Lechmere would have heard Paul approaching and so it therefore seems more than reasonable to assume that Lechmere himself would have been heard entering Bucks Row by JTR in the exact same way.
Considering that Lechmere never stated that he heard someone ahead of him as he walked up Bucks Row, we can also assume that the real killer would have left the scene BEFORE Lechmere approached.
My question therefore is...
What is maximum amount of possible time between PC Neil passing through the murder site, to when JTR WOULD have heard Lechmere walking down Bucks Row?
And secondly...
Based on the witness statements of BOTH Paul and PC Neil with regards to their relative observations of Nichols, would there have been enough time for JTR to have fled the scene between PC Neil leaving to Lechmere arriving?
In other words, if Paul stated that he thought that Nichols was alive, (albeit barely)
AND PC Neil stated that her arm was quite warm from the joint upwards
Then how long medically would it have taken for Nichols to have succumbed to her wounds in relation to the time it would have taken JTR to have fled before Lechmere arrived?
If Paul and Neil thought she was alive and had a warm arm (respectively,)
...then would there have been time for JTR to have passed down the street (WITH OR WITHOUT NICHOLS) after PC Neil had previously passed through, to then mutilate Nichols, and then leave the crime scene BEFORE Lechmere entered Bucks Row?
PC Neil stated that he passed through about half an hour before.
So if JTR wasn't Lechmere, then how was Nichol's body discovered as both warm (upper arm) by Neil and alive (barely) by Paul
Let's assume that JTR entered Bucks Row very shortly after Neil had left...Would it be even possible for Nichols to have taken so long to have been attacked, strangled, mutilated, bleed out, succumb to her wounds and then STILL remain warm 30 minutes later?!
Based on her condition from both Neil's and Paul's individual perspectives, would it seem much more likely that JTR committed the crime much closer to the moment Lechmere entered Bucks Row rather than when PC Neil had previously passed through?
This would then cut down the time scale and make it much more viable for Nichols to still be displaying signs of life.
Based on he assumption that JTR fled the scene very close to the time Lechmere arrived (BUT long enough for JTR to have fled without Lechmere hearing him)
Then how long could this have viably been?
I also ask this...
If it wasn't Lechmere, then was there enough time for it to have been someone else considering Paul and PC Neil's independent observations?
When you add in Paul and Neil, was there actually time for it to have NOT been Lechmere?
The case continues...
Thoughts, theories and onslaughts please...
TRD
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