Charles Cross

[rjpalmer]

And with the nonstop posting here about Lechmere still, it's like deja vu all over again.

After skimming through these recent offerings, the thought struck me that we might be seeing the first ever Ripperological tribute band.

Those too young to remember seeing Christer Holmgren and the Butlers in concert, can still rock out to their greatest hits, courtesy of one or two self-styled imitators.

Even though it's still the same ol' moldy oldies.

[Geddy2112]

After skimming through these recent offerings, the thought struck me that we might be seeing the first ever Ripperological tribute band.

Those too young to remember seeing Christer Holmgren and the Butlers in concert, can still rock out to their greatest hits, courtesy of one or two self-styled imitators.

Even though it's still the same ol' moldy oldies.

if they played at my funeral I'd still get up and walk out...

[Herlock Sholmes]

Just thought that I’d add this here. My apologies if everyone already knows about this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1800947798?SubscriptionId=AKIAJKOKUN4EWQH6OEPQ&tag=123pc-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953

A bit of fiction to add to the fiction being masqueraded as non-fiction on this subject.

[Geddy2112]

A bit of fiction to add to the fiction being masqueraded as non-fiction on this subject.

Does it have more fiction than Cutting Point?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Does it have more fiction than Cutting Point?

You think that I bought it?

[Geddy2112]

You think that I bought it?

I read the freebie sample and it looks like complete and utter horse manure, explaining that Tabram used to pimp out virgins including an attempt to pimp out Lechmere's teenage sister as a reason for the killings. Eeeek.

[Sunny Delight]

Just thought that I’d add this here. My apologies if everyone already knows about this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1800947798?SubscriptionId=AKIAJKOKUN4EWQH6OEPQ&tag=123pc-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953

A bit of fiction to add to the fiction being masqueraded as non-fiction on this subject.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[John Wheat]

Absolutely ridiculous.

The whole case against Charles Cross is absolutely ridiculous.

[Sunny Delight]

The whole case against Charles Cross is absolutely ridiculous.

Agreed. The whole thing is a nonsense. I have stated before that Cross was an actual person and labelling him as the most infamous serial killer of all time based on absolutely nothing that can't be easily explained is in my opinion- sick.

[Fiver]

I read the freebie sample and it looks like complete and utter horse manure, explaining that Tabram used to pimp out virgins including an attempt to pimp out Lechmere's teenage sister as a reason for the killings. Eeeek.

Well, they finally have a motive. The motive doesn't make a lick of sense, but they have one.

[John Wheat]

Agreed. The whole thing is a nonsense. I have stated before that Cross was an actual person and labelling him as the most infamous serial killer of all time based on absolutely nothing that can't be easily explained is in my opinion- sick.

Why is there a quest to frame a clearly innocent witness? There are far better suspects out there such as proven violent murderers W H Bury and James Kelly.

[Sunny Delight]

Why is there a quest to frame a clearly innocent witness? There are far better suspects out there such as proven violent murderers W H Bury and James Kelly.

My guess. Money and 5 minutes of fame on a TV show. There is nothing to go on regarding Cross and the whole thing is a complete nonsense.

[John Wheat]

My guess. Money and 5 minutes of fame on a TV show. There is nothing to go on regarding Cross and the whole thing is a complete nonsense.

I couldn't agree with you more Sunny Delight.

[rjpalmer]

Thank you and thank you for your post. Since Feb I've read just about every Cross thread.

Hi Geddy,

In your Lechmerian travels, have you come across a high-definition photograph of Charles Lechmere that isn't cropped? The only one I can readily locate is very blurry.

Thanks.

There is something odd about his aspect, but it might be more (or less) apparent with better resolution.

He has a cane in one hand and either another cane in the other hand (or more likely) is gripping a wall or something in the shrubbery for stability as if he's not quite steady on his feet.

His chest also seems to protrude strangely, and I have a theory about this. And although it is difficult to tell with one arm partially raised and one shoulder in the foliage, the shoulders don't seem quite symmetrical to me. One leg is also thrown slightly forward at an odd angle, but I'd like to see a better photograph, if possible, with the borders so we know it isn't cropped.

If you ever come across such a photo with better resolution, please drop me a line. Currently, it reminds me of the old nursey rhyme 'there was a crooked man.'

Cheers.

[Geddy2112]

In your Lechmerian travels, have you come across a high-definition photograph of Charles Lechmere that isn't cropped? The only one I can readily locate is very blurry.

Hi RJ, hope you are well, as far as I know that is the only unmolested picture around. In the doctored versions you mainly just see his face. Oh with a 'new' scar that seems to have come about due to the doctoring. Some say he got this in a altercation with one of his victims. Some suggest a stroke. Is this what you are hinting at?
For me he is probably right handed since he seems to be holding a walking stick, all be it rather loosely. Although the cane in the right hand could be due to a 'left sided' injury or stroke. For me he is putting his weight onto his left side onto what looks to me like a dining room chair (or open garden gate.) Although as you say his left leg is in front of the right suggesting it's maybe 'crossed' over the right leg near the ankle.

For what it's worth and what strikes me odd about this picture is the scenery. It looks rather floral and 'Country House' to me. I'll the ring the National Trust tomorrow to see if they ever had a member by the name Charles Lechmere. He does seem to have some form of badge on his right lapel.