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  • Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
    It's no more fanciful than Lechmere killing Nicholas.
    perhaps a little bit more lol
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

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    • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
      Again, much as you claim it inexplicable, others claim the opposite. What if you are wrong, Batman? Is that even a remote possibility...? And can you please establish the exact distance Paul was from Lechmere when the latter noticed him? You see, I think that may have a great deal to do with the matter.
      Plus, if you please, can you be so nice as to comment on why the clothing hid the wounds, because that too may be totally crucial.
      I think this photo is a good example of 40 yards on Buck's row.

      It's about the distance from the light at the gates to the figure in the distance under the second light.

      That's a lit street.

      There is quite some distance there.

      It was too dark to see blood or wounds.

      Paul, at the least, made attempts to pull back down her skirt raised almost to her stomach.

      Both of them were feeling her hands and cheeks.

      Cross believed she was dead. Paul didn't know and thought she was maybe breathing.

      Paul was obviously wrong. You don't breath with your neck nearly severed.
      Bona fide canonical and then some.

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      • Originally posted by Batman View Post
        I think this photo is a good example of 40 yards on Buck's row.

        It's about the distance from the light at the gates to the figure in the distance under the second light.

        That's a lit street.

        There is quite some distance there.

        It was too dark to see blood or wounds.

        Paul, at the least, made attempts to pull back down her skirt raised almost to her stomach.

        Both of them were feeling her hands and cheeks.

        Cross believed she was dead. Paul didn't know and thought she was maybe breathing.

        Paul was obviously wrong. You don't breath with your neck nearly severed.
        If you can see a body and identify it as a woman from three yards away, then it is not too dark to see blood or wounds, I´m afraid. I am pretty certain that the carmen (or Paul, at least) worked from the supposition that there had been blood to see, something that may well be wrong. Once you work from such a supposition and realize that you saw no blood, it is a logical conclusion that it was due to the prevailing darkness. But if you can identify a woman from three yards off, if you can see her hat, her hands etc, then you can also see blood and wounds.

        As for Paul "obviously" being wrong, there is nothing obvious about that at all. There are reflexes and such that can move after having had the neck cut - or severed, even - and so he may well have felt the body stir.

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        • Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
          It's no more fanciful than Lechmere killing Nicholas.
          Killing Nicholas? Does that mean there will be no X-mas this year...?

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          • Originally posted by caz View Post
            Jack Random is more likely to have been the killer, John, on the very simple grounds that there are no documented cases of one who chose to stay with his nearly decapitated, freshly killed victim, to wait for the next man - whoever that might be - to reach the spot, then steer him over to where the body was, requiring him to inspect the damage. Or if there are such cases, Fish evidently does not think it necessary or desirable to draw our attention to them, which frankly I would find quite astonishing, considering his efforts to convince us all that Lechmere makes a much better suspect than one who would have left the scene unseen, because he wanted to remain anonymous and may well not have had a good excuse for being there, if the victim led her killer to the scene and not the other way round.

            Love,

            Caz
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            To be a better suspect, Jack Random needs to be found by a freshly killed victims side, use the name Stupid instead of Random (a wise choice), disagree with the police, just happen to have a daily trek that took him past the murder sites or close to them, have links to St Georges and the Mitre Square area and so on.
            The points FOR Lechmere do not go away on account of how you personally believe that he would have run in Bucks Row. Andy Griffiths, indefinitely better suited to understand this than you will ever be, was adamant that he would never have run.

            Ooops, Caz.

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            • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
              If you can see a body and identify it as a woman from three yards away, then it is not too dark to see blood or wounds
              The colour red is very difficult to perceive under dim lighting conditions, so any blood or wounds might be overlooked, or mistaken for shadows or mud.
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                The colour red is very difficult to perceive under dim lighting conditions, so any blood or wounds might be overlooked, or mistaken for shadows or mud.
                But blood is wet and reflects light. Plus any wounds on the body would be dark against a white background.

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                • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  To be a better suspect, Jack Random needs to be found by a freshly killed victims side,
                  This does raise the focus on Cross.

                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  use the name Stupid instead of Random (a wise choice),
                  You overstate. Lechmere/Cross simply used one version of his name rather than another. We have no evidence he did not use Cross regularly.

                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  disagree with the police,
                  Not alone there.

                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  just happen to have a daily trek that took him past the murder sites or close to them
                  Some of them not others - as did Paul as did your friend Jack Random


                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  have links to St Georges and the Mitre Square area
                  No links with Mitre Square, you simply speculate he may have passed it on his way to work.

                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  and so on.
                  There is no so on

                  Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                  The points FOR Lechmere do not go away on account of how you personally believe that he would have run in Bucks Row. Andy Griffiths, indefinitely better suited to understand this than you will ever be, was adamant that he would never have run.
                  The points go away because they are a) mostly based on speculation and b) even if the speculation is correct do not provide any evidence of Lechmere being the murderer.

                  Ooops, Caz.[/QUOTE]

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                  • Originally posted by etenguy View Post
                    This does raise the focus on Cross.


                    You overstate. Lechmere/Cross simply used one version of his name rather than another. We have no evidence he did not use Cross regularly.


                    Not alone there.



                    Some of them not others - as did Paul as did your friend Jack Random




                    No links with Mitre Square, you simply speculate he may have passed it on his way to work.



                    There is no so on



                    The points go away because they are a) mostly based on speculation and b) even if the speculation is correct do not provide any evidence of Lechmere being the murderer.

                    Ooops, Caz.
                    [/QUOTE]

                    There is a so on - there are many of them - and neither that nor the rest will go away because he did not run in Bucks Row. It does not work that way, I´m afraid - although some less trustworthy posters harbour a burning wish that it was so. No such luck, though.

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                    • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                      But blood is wet and reflects light.
                      Likewise mud or dirty water, assuming there are any noteworthy sources of light around to reflect.
                      Plus any wounds on the body would be dark against a white background.
                      So would mud or dirt.
                      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                      • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                        Likewise mud or dirty water, assuming there are any noteworthy sources of light around to reflect.So would mud or dirt.
                        But wouldn't the sound of someone legging it away from the body have raised Paul's suspicion, whether he detected blood or not? The woman was clearly insensible, whether merely unconscious or dead, and the fact that someone left the scene in a hurry would have suggested that a violent crime had taken place.

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                        • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                          But wouldn't the sound of someone legging it away from the body have raised Paul's suspicion, whether he detected blood or not?
                          I'm just commenting on the difficulty of seeing red substances (particularly dark red ones) in dim light, Gary.
                          Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                          "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                          • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                            Likewise mud or dirty water, assuming there are any noteworthy sources of light around to reflect.So would mud or dirt.
                            Yes, so they may well have thought "wow, this woman has an inch-wide smear of dirt across her throat. And look at THAT smear on her abdomen!"

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                            • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                              Yes, so they may well have thought "wow, this woman has an inch-wide smear of dirt across her throat. And look at THAT smear on her abdomen!"
                              And if Lechmere had legged it from the body when Paul was few seconds away, Paul would have thought, 'Someone has run away from an obviously insensible woman covered in dark smears. Nothing untoward here. No need to make a fuss.'
                              Last edited by MrBarnett; 11-15-2018, 01:51 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                                And if Lechmere had legged it from the body when Paul was few seconds away from the body, Paul would have thought 'Someone has run away from an obviously insensible woman covered in dark smears. Nothing untoward here. No need to make a fuss.'
                                Paul didn't see any blood even when feeling her hands and breastbone.

                                That corroborates Cross thinking her a tarpaulin.

                                Paul had no intention of going near her by his own admission.
                                Bona fide canonical and then some.

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