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  • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
    I said ‘if’. How long do you imagine it would have taken Paul to cover the 40 yards between him and the body? And having seen or heard someone haring off from the spot to have immediately understood there was foul play at hand and started yelling at the top of his lungs?

    By no stretch of the imagination is Buck’s Row a long road. And forty yards is forty yards in any road.
    I don't think you said 'if' looking back, but if that is what you meant fine, but I don't understand your reply because in my post you are responding to, I have absolutely laid all this out for you.

    Buck's row is a long road.

    https://wiki.casebook.org/images/thu...px-Bucks38.jpg

    Have a look at the background distance all the way up to the gates where Nichols was found. It was dark. Some lamps around.

    Somebody turning onto Buck's row is even further away than the furthest person you can see in the background of that photo and even they are far away from the man who has just walked by the gates where Nichols was found.

    It is simply inexplicable that the murderer needed to stay there with someone coming in the distance.
    Bona fide canonical and then some.

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    • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
      One of them did no such thing.
      The Coroner knew there were people in the Road at that time, and he knew Tomkins knew. The coroner didn`t know yet that Tomkins had been the pub on the road, yet he still checked Tomkins about people being in the road.


      Ah, I see you’ve added another. At what time did Neil go home I wonder?
      No, it was posted at the same time.

      I don`t know when Neil went home. Why do you ask ?

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      • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
        The Coroner knew there were people in the Road at that time, and he knew Tomkins knew. The coroner didn`t know yet that Tomkins had been the pub on the road, yet he still checked Tomkins about people being in the road.




        No, it was posted at the same time.

        I don`t know when Neil went home. Why do you ask ?
        How would Tomkins have known conditions in the WR at 3.30 if his shift was from 8 - 4 with a short break at 12.30? You’re right, at the point he asked the question, specifically about woman being about after 2.00, he didn’t know about Tomkins break time.

        Sorry, I must have missed the second point when I first read your post.

        When Neil talks about seeing women in WR ‘going home’ was it the women who were ‘going home’ or himself at the end of his shift?

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        • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
          How would Tomkins have known conditions in the WR at 3.30 if his shift was from 8 - 4 with a short break at 12.30?
          Because Tomkins would have been aware that the WR would still be populated at that time.

          Sorry, I must have missed the second point when I first read your post.
          No probs :-)

          When Neil talks about seeing women in WR ‘going home’ was it the women who were ‘going home’ or himself at the end of his shift?
          I assumed at first read through that it was the women who were going home.

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          • Originally posted by Batman View Post
            I don't think you said 'if' looking back, but if that is what you meant fine, but I don't understand your reply because in my post you are responding to, I have absolutely laid all this out for you.

            Buck's row is a long road.

            https://wiki.casebook.org/images/thu...px-Bucks38.jpg

            Have a look at the background distance all the way up to the gates where Nichols was found. It was dark. Some lamps around.

            Somebody turning onto Buck's row is even further away than the furthest person you can see in the background of that photo and even they are far away from the man who has just walked by the gates where Nichols was found.

            It is simply inexplicable that the murderer needed to stay there with someone coming in the distance.
            We’ll have to agree to disagree on whether Buck’s Row is a ‘long road’. I’d call something like the Commercial Road a long road and Buck’s Row a back street. Of course, we’re not even talking about the whole length of Buck’s Row, just the bit between the stable yard and wherever Paul was when Lechmere first became aware of him.

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            • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
              Because Tomkins would have been aware that the WR would still be populated at that time.



              No probs :-)



              I assumed at first read through that it was the women who were going home.
              I suppose in general terms he may have had an idea, but it seems he was a relative newcomer to the area and according to his own evidence was generally at work at the time in question. If he was often in the Whitechapel Road at 3.40ish, perhaps we should put him forward as a suspect? What on earth would he have been doing there at that time? ;-)

              It would be a funny thing to say that the women were going home, wouldn’t it? Why would he assume that?

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              • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
                Yes, agreed but at odds with what you had posted earlier, hence my pointing out the inquest testimonies to the contrary
                No, Jon, it is not at odds with what I have posted earlier. Maybe you misread it?

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                • Originally posted by Batman View Post

                  It is simply inexplicable that the murderer needed to stay there with someone coming in the distance.
                  There we go again. Nobody said he needed to, what is said is that he CHOSE to. If that could sink in, it would be awfully nice.
                  He could run. He did not. He chose to stay.

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                  • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post

                    I assumed at first read through that it was the women who were going home.
                    I had it the other way around.

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                    • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                      No, Jon, it is not at odds with what I have posted earlier. Maybe you misread it?
                      I must have misread it, sorry
                      I thought you`d written that the streets were deserted.
                      Apologies !!

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                      • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                        I had it the other way around.
                        Yes, I was going to have another look at Neil`s testimony.
                        It may be different in other newspaper sources.

                        I was trying to think when Neil would have finished, when his last recorded job was that morning.
                        I believe he was living at 49 Blythe Street, Bethnal Green.

                        Edit: PC Neil is last recorded at the mortuary when Spratling arrives 5pm ish ?
                        If Neil walked from Eagle Place back to Bethnal Green he may have walked down WR past the station and Brady Street
                        Last edited by Jon Guy; 11-15-2018, 07:07 AM. Reason: Edited for J Neil details

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                        • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
                          I must have misread it, sorry
                          I thought you`d written that the streets were deserted.
                          Apologies !!
                          Well... if you promise never to do it again!

                          I was providing a generalized picture of things, Jon, which I suspect you will be aware of. I have been told so many times that there were thousands of dwellers in Whitechapel who were as good or better suspects as Lechmere, and since they must all have been on the streets to be viable as competitors, I thought it would be useful to point out what really applies.

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                          • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                            Well... if you promise never to do it again!
                            Of course ... ;-)


                            I was providing a generalized picture of things, Jon, which I suspect you will be aware of. I have been told so many times that there were thousands of dwellers in Whitechapel who were as good or better suspects as Lechmere, and since they must all have been on the streets to be viable as competitors, I thought it would be useful to point out what really applies.
                            I know, but it`s my job to make it difficult for you

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                            • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post

                              I know, but it`s my job to make it difficult for you
                              And a grand job you do of it...
                              Last edited by Fisherman; 11-15-2018, 07:35 AM.

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                              • I am going to have to disagree with you Fish. It doesn't matter how many entrances Pickfords had at night. There would almost certainly be a night watchman, at least in a company like that. Cross turning up at that time of a morning would almost certainly be asked why, and that's if the night watchman or whoever stopped him knew him. Was it 200 or at least dozens were employed. For Cross to go there uninvited or unknown without some really good reason he would be taking one hell of a risk.

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