Deadly occupations and serial murder

[Herlock Sholmes]

The Worshipful Company of Carmen - oldest transport organisation in the world, according to their website...

http://www.thecarmen.co.uk

I'd love to see the reply if Fisherman tried to join.

Regards

Herlock

[John G]

The Worshipful Company of Carmen - oldest transport organisation in the world, according to their website...

http://www.thecarmen.co.uk

Ah, but this was a livery company, which is not, and never was, the same as a trade union: http://cityandlivery.co.uk/the-city-...companies.html

In fact, they had more in common with freemasonry: http://cityandlivery.co.uk/the-city-...nd-freema.html

Oops. I really hope this isn't going to trigger a conspiracy theory discussion!

[Herlock Sholmes]

[QUOTE=Henry Flower;424093]

You think he's putting the cart before the horse?

Herlock

[Henry Flower]

[QUOTE=Pierre;424092]

And also, the title of your thread: "Deadly occupations..."

Bias.

You think he's putting the cart before the horse?

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Fisherman;423902]

And also, the title of your thread: "Deadly occupations..."

Bias.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Elamarna;424084]

Pardon Pierre, I may have missed something here.

Why should he give the names? What did it have to with the case?

Confused

Steve

Hi Steve,

No problem.

I wrote "And he did not give the name of his wife and children at the inquest."

Not as you wrote above, "the names".

Pierre

[Joshua Rogan]

I am not sure what belonging to a Trades Union has to do with it?

He would not be a teamster, that is a union based in the USA and has not connection to the UK.. it's a minor point but important none the less.
it is likely neither occupation would have been in a trades union in 1888.

The Worshipful Company of Carmen - oldest transport organisation in the world, according to their website...

http://www.thecarmen.co.uk

[Joshua Rogan]

Do you know what Pickfords do today, by the way? What the company developed into? Barging? Or lorry transportation?

Not sure what you're getting at here...Pickfords were moving goods by barge in Victorian times.

[Henry Flower]

Off-topic, but that reminds me of Punch magazine's wonderful send-up of Hitler's ambassador to Britain, Joachim von Ribbentrop, whom they dubbed "The wandering aryan".

Ha! I hadn't heard that. That's marvelous, Gareth.

Christer - for what it's worth I didn't find anything remotely offensive in your recalling an illustrative 'desensitisation' metaphor from the WWII death camps. Facts are facts, and you didn't phrase it disrespectfully as far as I could see.

[Henry Flower]

[QUOTE=Elamarna;424084]

Pardon Pierre, I may have missed something here.

Why should he give the names? What did it have to with the case?

Confused

Steve

Could Pierre be implying that this confirms the non-incriminating reasoning behind his use of his 'alternative' name?

[Sam Flynn]

those 'rootless cosmopolitans' the wandering Jews....

Off-topic, but that reminds me of Punch magazine's wonderful send-up of Hitler's ambassador to Britain, Joachim von Ribbentrop, whom they dubbed "The wandering aryan".

[Elamarna]

[QUOTE=Pierre;424078]

He did contradict Mizen. And he did not give the name of his wife and children at the inquest.

Mizen was sworn.

Pierre

Pardon Pierre, I may have missed something here.

Why should he give the names? What did it have to with the case?

Confused

Steve

[Elamarna]

You are too fond of the phrase "misleading", Steve. And too little versed in what that means. To say that a bargeman is more connected to a trucker than a carman, now THAT is misleading. Both are related, but the bargeman less so.
Do you know what Pickfords do today, by the way? What the company developed into? Barging? Or lorry transportation?

Or did I mislead now?

What a company develops into is entirely irrelevant to the debate. Many change completely over time.

And of course delivery by lorry is not the same as trucking as you well know.

And of course not actually adressing the post you claim to be responding too.

Steve

[John G]

Apart from the absurdity of the comparison, you might as well compare an airline pilot with the driver of a tram. I cannot see the relevance of any person involved in transportation, with Whitechapel murders as the women were murdered in the street by a man on foot, apart from MK who was probably murdered in her room by a man she met outside at night. All in a fairly small area. The easier thing in the world was to go to the pub, pick up a woman, go to the street pick up a woman.

So driving a cart is irrevant to the murders. As I stated before carman went a to b pick up goods, waited while goods were put on cart. Carman were not removal men,that was a different job. Men would have loaded the cart, he might have had a list checking out the goods then dropped them off. Lateness or delay would mean a dock in pay. Back the the depot see to the horses. Where did the comical scene of Lechmere staggering under a weight of bloody meat come from. Nor did he drive his fast stallions around the country committing killings in far away counties for days at a time while on the job.

Miss Marple

Brilliant points, Miss Marple. Cool logic, not wild speculation or tenuous theories, is surely the way forward.

[John G]

LOL

Of course, Lechmere doesn't appear to have even reached the depot, never mind got into his vehicle, before he killed! If he had access to transport, and ran errands all over London, any self-respecting SK would surely have exploited the opportunity. Yet we don't we see any Ripper-like murders at all beyond the narrow confines of the Canonical Five murder sites. My conclusion from this is that Jack the Ripper was a local killer, operating on foot; if he'd been involved in a "mobile" profession, he'd surely have left his mark over a much wider area.

Excellent point Gareth. Although Fish will probably argue that whilst in the guise of JtR he was on foot. However, once he entered the metaphorical Superman telephone box, he was suddenly transformed into Torso Man, under which guise he utilised the Lechmere "Truck"/barge/cruising boat/ disposal centre/ storage unit to commit a radically different type of decapitation murders.