Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl - Part 2

[Aldebaran]

However, while that person who wrote the blog piece may not have come across any Jewish people with the mtDNA haplogroup of
T1a1 [which is what was on the shawl] that doesn't mean it hasn't been seen in Jews. Here are people listed by a DNA testing company. The
subjects gave the most distant ancestress they can recall and where she lived [if they know]. There are certainly Jewish women listed there
under that subgroup of T with first names like Malka, Fruma, Bella, and Chaya--typical Jewish feminine names. Yes, Kosminski could have had
T1a1.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults

[Aldebaran]

Sorry, the Jews were absent from England for about 360 years following the expulsion of 1290--not merely 200 years. And here, mates, is the best analysis of the Kosminski-Eddowes shawl business I could dig up. And it's even in comprehensible language.

https://dna-explained.com/2014/09/08/jack-the-ripper/

[Aldebaran]

One of the most intelligent questions asked here about the Kosminski DNA business [in the other closed thread] was something like "Couldn't you spot the mtDNA of a foreign element in a population?" After all, the Jews were booted out of England by Edward I in 1290, thereby rendering the country free of a Jewish presence for another 200 years. A minority in any case, even after effecting a return.

The thing about mtDNA is that it contains haplogroups. It's the haplogroups that indicate the place of origin of the distant ancestress. Aaron Kosminski was from Poland and was therefore considered an Ashkenazi Jew. One would think the Jews, having been brought by the conquering Romans to Europe as slaves from the Middle East, should be genetically different from the distant populations in which they found themselves, but it's not that simple. Not when it comes to mitochrondrial DNA.

Jewish males have yDNA, passed on from father to son in a chain that goes back indefinitely. It has been found that, in European Jewry, the yDNA haplogroups are overwhelmingly of Middle Eastern origin. Not so the mtDNA haplogroups. It is quite widely accepted that there were four founding females in Ashkenazi Jewish mtDNA, some being of European origin. Only about 8% of Ashkenazi Jews, males and females, bear a Middle Eastern mtDNA haplogroup--according to one study.

On the bright side, one could expect the mtDNA of Kosminski to fall into one of four groups. If mtDNA from the shawl in question matched to a relative of Aaron Kosminski, then that would be something. But that would only narrow it down to the Jews and the four founding mothers--maybe. Because some of those were women of European and not Middle Eastern origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...Ashkenazi_Jews

"A 2013 study at the University of Huddersfield, led by Professor Martin B. Richards, concluded that 65%-81% of Ashkenazi Mt-DNA is European in origin, including all four founding mothers, and that most of the remaining lineages are also European. The results were published in Nature Communications in October 2013. The team analyzed about 2,500 complete and 28,000 partial Mt-DNA genomes of mostly non-Jews, and 836 partial Mt-DNA genomes of Ashkenazi Jews. The study claims that only 8% of Ashkenazi Mt-DNA could be identified as Middle Eastern in origin, with the origin of the rest being unclear.[61]

They wrote:


If we allow for the possibility that K1a9 and N1b2 might have a Near Eastern source, then we can estimate the overall fraction of European maternal ancestry at ~65%. Given the strength of the case for even these founders having a European source, however, our best estimate is to assign ~81% of Ashkenazi lineages to a European source, ~8% to the Near East and ~1% further to the east in Asia, with ~10% remaining ambiguous... Thus at least two-thirds and most likely more than four-fifths of Ashkenazi maternal lineages have a European ancestry."

Predictably, not all geneticists agree with this.

[pinkmoon]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but haven't read all of the thread. Is it correct to call those people descendants of Kosminski? I was under the impression he was childless. You're only a descendant of someone if you are of their bloodline. They may share a common ancestor with him, but they aren't descendants surely?

Considering the honesty and integrity of the rest of the story I wouldn't be to surprised if they were recruited at random from the nearest pub .

[Mrs Darrell]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but haven't read all of the thread. Is it correct to call those people descendants of Kosminski? I was under the impression he was childless. You're only a descendant of someone if you are of their bloodline. They may share a common ancestor with him, but they aren't descendants surely?

[pinkmoon]

Thanks for posting the crimewatch link after viewing it I am furious to claim to have solved this case using something that couldn't possibly have been at any of the murder sites is wrong I shall be emailing the BBC again pointing that they have been had of .A lot of you guys on here have had books published about the ripper some of you are researching books at the moment but your books will not sell as well because of these two clowns which is totally wrong.

[Harry D]

Y'all just jelly that he managed to solve the case before any of yous.

[jmenges]

I've posted Jari's mercifully brief BBC Crimewatch appearance on Rippercast's Facebook group for those who want to see him. It's a public group, so you don't have to join to watch.

(Not that we wouldn't welcome you...)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1467146456857041/

JM

[pinkmoon]

Thanks Trevor, I see that there are a few posts now about Jar and Edwards back out touting their stuff.

The little loves will dine out on this for the rest of their lives

[GUT]

Live !

Thanks Trevor, I see that there are a few posts now about Jar and Edwards back out touting their stuff.

[Archaic]

New Comments by Jari on RE's Website, Eddowes Plaque Unveiled

Hi everyone.

Jari posted comments yesterday on RE's website.
I wasn't sure where to post it - so many Eddowes threads! http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...412#post345412

Mr. Edwards unveiled a plaque in Wolverhampton in honor of Catherine Eddowes. Not sure if that was covered in the BBC segment. Article with photos is here: http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...401#post345401

Best regards,
Archaic

[pinkmoon]

It's so unfair that authors have to spend a lot of time and money researching this subject and some clown can come along make some rubbish up like this back it up with some flawed scientific data and skip all the way to the bank it's just not on.

[Trevor Marriott]

Yep well what more is there to say.

One question though, was it live or an old tape?

Live !

[richardh]

Is it possible to trade mark the words 'Jack the Ripper'? Because Mr. Edwards has TM'ed it on his website... along with the claim that 'over 1 Million copies sold'.

If he has TM'ed 'JtR' them we are all in breach and owe him compensation!

[pinkmoon]

What!!!!!! Solved it!!!!!!!! No way I think an emai and a phone call to the BBC is in order after all they are paying him with our money .