Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[Patrick S]

Let's listen what the experts have to say, and then we'll be better served to pass comment.

Agreed. Until this thing is peer reviews to some degree, I think it's best approached with a heavy dose of skepticism. Usually when someone is spouting on with slogans like "Case Solved", "Ripper Unmasked", and "100% certaintly", alarm bells should sound.

I will say this, though. I've perviously not taken the Simpson Shawl seriously. To me, it seems an obvious fraud based on wishful thinking by the family. However, if we get some reasonable consensus that DNA was handled correctly, proper procedures were followed, etc., and that the match to Kosminski is valid (though not to the wishful 100% stated in the article), then I think you are dealing with a pretty hard case to argue overcome.

[Rob Clack]

A pre-1887 map showing the location of N Division.
As you can see there was another Division (G) between it and the City of London.



Rob

[Rob Clack]

And from the Police Orders 1889.



Rob

[Jeff Leahy]

But there was a soldier!!

Not necessarily…A policeman simply spoke to a soldier waiting for a friend sometime before Martha Tabram's Murder. So no tossing seaman?

Your Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

It shall be interesting to know if there was any Simpson Mt DNA found upon the 'shawl'.

If no, why?, considering the family claims.

If so, accepting logical conclusion, however, we have two contemporary suspects, and the case remains open.

Also be interesting to learn if any of the other victims DNA has been sought, and likewise, any other suspects.

Mr Edwards conclusions are premature.

Monty

Can we abandon the word Shawl Monty…its an 'Edwardian Table Runner'

Yours Jeff

[Rob Clack]

Can we abandon Kosminski was the ripper while we are at? I mean, it's not very likely is it?

[Jeff Leahy]

Hello bladen7273,

Was Kosminski "The Chosen One" ????

best wishes

Phil

Most probably but not because of the Shawl or any DNA tests.

Incidendly this story was broadcast on Radio 4 tonight with a quote from Don Rumblow..

It appears the BBC are taking it very seriously indeed…

Up to their usual current standard of Journalism which appears to have gone to pot lately

Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Can we abandon Kosminski was the ripper while we are at? I mean, it's not very likely is it?

Yes it is..

[Henry Flower]

Observer, I agree absolutely. Apart from the genuinely informative posts like Rob Clack's above, and Fisherman's remarkably interesting genetic discoveries, we're just idly speculating. I had begun to tire of doing so in any case!

[Monty]

Can we abandon the word Shawl Monty…its an 'Edwardian Table Runner'

Yours Jeff

I don't think we can Jeff.

1 That's not been ascertained. It would be misleading as stating Kosminski is Jack the Ripper.

2 I cannot be bothered to continuously write Edwardian Table Runner.

Monty

[robhouse]

Can we abandon Kosminski was the ripper while we are at? I mean, it's not very likely is it?

What makes it unlikely, in your opinion, if I might ask?

Also, I will just say that I can confirm that there is a valid matrilineal connection between Matilda Lubnowski-Cohen and the woman who gave a DNA sample.

RH

[Henry Flower]

Can we abandon the word Shawl Monty…its an 'Edwardian Table Runner'

As we're not certain about what it was, can we call it the 'unshawl'?

[anna]

Hi guys,

I said today I thought it was a table runner. Having seen so many of them at auction. I said it was Victorian..but it's been stated as being Edwardian,which ties in with the dates Lynn Cates gave for it earlier.

If this is so,there is no way it can have any connection to Kate.

[Phil Carter]

I don't think we can Jeff.

1 That's not been ascertained. It would be misleading as stating Kosminski is Jack the Ripper.

2 I cannot be bothered to continuously write Edwardian Table Runner.

Monty

Hello Monty,

The PC's (AS) ETA at MS to steal said ETR has yet 2B asc.nd. If AK is the orig owner of said ETR does that mean it was JTR's ETR orig?

Nope...foreshortening doesn't help either!

:-)

Phil

[Monty]

Also, I will just say that I can confirm that there is a valid matrilineal connection between Matilda Lubnowski-Cohen and the woman who gave a DNA sample.

RH

Many thanks for clarifying Rob.

Monty