Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

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  • lynn cates
    Commisioner
    • Aug 2009
    • 13841

    #376
    no shawl

    Hello Julie.

    "What I would like to know is, if a shawl was left and the scene of the crime, why did the killer bother cutting off a corner of Eddowes apron to use to wipe his hands and knife? Why not use the shawl?"

    Good question. But there was NO shawl.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • The Good Michael
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Feb 2008
      • 3773

      #377
      Originally posted by Lechmere View Post

      With respect to the prissy accusations of fraud on the part of the author or the scientist, you know what?
      The ‘Ripper’ world isn’t and never will be a pure historical or criminological topic. (Although aspects of the case cannot be discussed in an academic manner).
      I made the prissy accusation, only it wasn't one. It was a legal question on why something like this isn't fraud if it fits the legal description.

      Mike
      huh?

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      • lynn cates
        Commisioner
        • Aug 2009
        • 13841

        #378
        control

        Hello Neil.

        Bingo. Whatever happened to the scientific notion of a control?

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • Observer
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Mar 2008
          • 3177

          #379
          Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
          Hello Barbara. Thanks.

          "didn't mean Kosminski kept it as a trophy, but that the policeman picking it up at the scene, did."

          But what was a Met copper doing in Mitre sq?

          Cheers.
          LC
          Could not a City policeman have acquired it, and it passed on to a Met policeman?

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #380
            missing

            Hello Michael.

            "a scientist in the field would know about cross-contamination, about provenance, and about seeking corroboration."

            Precisely. And ALL of this is missing.

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • GUT
              Commissioner
              • Jan 2014
              • 7841

              #381
              Wasn't Kosminski Polish?
              G U T

              There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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              • TomTomKent
                Detective
                • Feb 2010
                • 371

                #382
                Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                Hello Michael.

                "a scientist in the field would know about cross-contamination, about provenance, and about seeking corroboration."

                Precisely. And ALL of this is missing.

                Cheers.
                LC
                All of that is missing and a picture puzzle clue "look at the flowers on the shawl they talk about dates!" is there in their stead. That makes it even better right?


                Right?


                Hey don't look at me like that.
                There Will Be Trouble! http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Little-Tro...s=T.+E.+Hodden

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                • Monty
                  Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5413

                  #383
                  Originally posted by Observer View Post
                  Could not a City policeman have acquired it, and it passed on to a Met policeman?
                  Id say that is highly unrealistic Observer. For what purpose?

                  Monty
                  Monty

                  https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...t/evilgrin.gif

                  Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                  http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #384
                    result

                    Hello Paul G. That has me puzzled as well. Looks like he got the "result" he sought.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • Observer
                      Assistant Commissioner
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 3177

                      #385
                      Boo Hiss

                      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                      Hello Stewart. I'll attest to your work. Without "The Utlimate Companion" I would have none of my current theories.
                      So Mr Stewart is the one to blame.

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                      • bigjon
                        Constable
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 62

                        #386
                        Announcement regarding the 2015 Conference in Nottingham:

                        We spoke to Russell Edwards last week about appearing at next years conference in Nottingham, but he is currently unsure.

                        We all agree that it is an exciting development and if nothing else will get the case talked about and bring new people which we applaud.

                        However it will inevitably have critics and raise questions and we hope Mr Edwards will come along to answer them.

                        We also realise this is going to be exactly the kind of news people will want addressed at a conference.

                        Therefore we are announcing that our only as yet unfilled speaker slot is being allocated to discussion of the shawl. Russell Edwards has first refusal on this slot, and we will also be approaching Dr Louhelainen. If neither of them wants to take the opportunity to present their case, we will look elsewhere for people to talk about it.

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                        • Observer
                          Assistant Commissioner
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 3177

                          #387
                          Originally posted by Monty View Post
                          Id say that is highly unrealistic Observer. For what purpose?

                          Monty
                          Hi Mont

                          As the poster who made the point said, as a trophy.

                          Observer

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                          • lynn cates
                            Commisioner
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 13841

                            #388
                            bottom line

                            Hello GUT.

                            "No one doubts that they carried all that they owned with them, as Street people still do, however given the detailed list of her clothes and possessions, where is the piece of material?"

                            And THAT is the bottom line.

                            Cheers.
                            LC

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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #389
                              know

                              Hello Henry. Thanks.

                              "Perhaps someone who knows more about these procedural matters could let us know whether it was at all normal for officers to take a brief detour out of their own turf in the event of a major crime"

                              How would a beat copper know about a major crime on different turf? Perhaps hours later. But by then, the inventory was taken.

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • lynn cates
                                Commisioner
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 13841

                                #390
                                pattern

                                Hello Tom. Thanks. Yes, MUCH can be gathered from designs respecting dates. Recently, a bit of a Grecian amphora was found. Its pattern (which involved the meander) allowed it to be dated to the geometric era.

                                Quite simple.

                                Cheers.
                                LC

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