Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[Rob Clack]

Those who have bought and read the book have every right to question any of the things stated in it that we find misleading, incorrect or unclear, including the large sections quoted from Dr Louhelainen himself.

And happily Russell Edwards and Dr Louhelainen (as he must now be called) will be in front of a room full of Ripperological enthusiasts (who have shelled out £130 for the privilege) to answer questions.
Although I see from comments already made that this will not satisfy some of the more verbose posters on here.

I think the majority of people going had already shelled out £130 before Russell and Dr Jari (sorry, Dr Louhelainen) decided to make an appearance.

Rob (but you can call me Robert)

[mickreed]

Debra
I think maybe some people have had replies - but again he is a busy academic and if he gets bombarded with emails from unscientific enthusiasts then it is understandable that replies may be slow in coming back.

It's also start of the academic year. Very busy.

I agree with what Lechmere is (I think) saying. There is no substitute for an academic paper. Emails, one-on-one chats,talks to a group of lay people are no substitute for the real McCoy.

[Lechmere]

Debra
I think maybe some people have had replies - but again he is a busy academic and if he gets bombarded with emails from unscientific enthusiasts then it is understandable that replies may be slow in coming back. If he had time to do these replies then no doubt he would have time to construct an academic review paper - which would be a lot more valuable than piece meal replies to e-mails.
But these issues can be put to him at the conference in person and there will undoubtedly be opportunity to talk to him outside the confines of his specific slot at the event.
Perhaps you should book a ticket!

November isn't very far off. Patience!

[mickreed]

I doubt either of them are gagged (judging by their press interviews) but by the same token the appropriate platform for such things tends to be conferences I would have thought - more appropriate than a free-for-all forum, largely populated by anonymous quick on the draw Mcgraws.
Still the opportunity is there. They can't be accused of hiding.

Well, I doubt RE would avoid a chance to spruik his book, so his appearance is unsurprising.

So far as JL is concerned, it will depend on what he's there to talk about. According to the programme Lechmere posted yesterday, he is only is only going to talk about how he extracted the DNA. If he really does confine to that, it will be almost useless.

Moreover, given the reports about his uni advising him to keep his head down, I fully expect him to be very circumspect.

He is reported in the Finnish press as saying that some people at his uni are indignant that he used uni resources for this. He then says that millions of people have now heard of an 'unknown university'.

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2014...02851_uu.shtml

Who knows what his uni will make of comments like that. Is there such a thing as bad publicity?

[Chris]

I very much doubt that Dr Louhelainen will leave these questions unanswered for another six weeks.

[Debra A]

I doubt either of them are but by the same token the appropriate platform for such things tends to be conferences I would have thought - me appropriate than a free-for-all forum, largely populated by anonymous quick on the draw Mcgraws.
Still the opportunity is there. They can't be accused of hiding.

I was thinking maybe there are people who have contacted Dr Louhelainen ( I took the cut and paste advice on the name) privately with questions who are hoping to get an answer before November.

[Lechmere]

Robert
I have no idea.
But there will be 100 witnesses - some undoubtedly will not be fans of the theory.

[Lechmere]

I doubt either of them are gagged (judging by their press interviews) but by the same token the appropriate platform for such things tends to be conferences I would have thought - more appropriate than a free-for-all forum, largely populated by anonymous quick on the draw Mcgraws.
Still the opportunity is there. They can't be accused of hiding.

[Robert]

Ed, will this question and answer session be videoed? It's vital that Jari's scientific remarks are recorded clearly - mere note-taking won't suffice.

[Debra A]

Those who have bought and read the book have every right to question any of the things stated in it that we find misleading, incorrect or unclear, including the large sections quoted from Dr Louhelainen himself.

And happily Russell Edwards and Dr Louhelainen (as he must now be called) will be in front of a room full of Ripperological enthusiasts (who have shelled out £130 for the privilege) to answer questions.
Although I see from comments already made that this will not satisfy some of the more verbose posters on here.

Is he gagged until then?

[Lechmere]

Those who have bought and read the book have every right to question any of the things stated in it that we find misleading, incorrect or unclear, including the large sections quoted from Dr Louhelainen himself.

And happily Russell Edwards and Dr Louhelainen (as he must now be called) will be in front of a room full of Ripperological enthusiasts (who have shelled out £130 for the privilege) to answer questions.
Although I see from comments already made that this will not satisfy some of the more verbose posters on here.

[mickreed]

Exactly right, Tracy!
Those who have bought and read the book have every right to question any of the things stated in it that we find misleading, incorrect or unclear, including the large sections quoted from Dr Louhelainen himself.

You beat me to it Debs. You're both spot on.

I don't understand this unquestioning worship of people with academic qualifications. Some of the PhD theses I've had to read in my time wouldn't really warrant anything more than the bin. That's becoming increasingly the case in recent years in some institutions. I could mention one about a massacre of aborigines in 19th-century NSW, but I'd better not. The killings certainly occurred but the thesis, and subsequent book, about them is as useful as Edwards's - not big enough for a door-stop, and not much use for owt else.

Even the real experts (of which JL probably is one) aren't always infallible. And when what tiny aspect of their work we have is only available through a popular book, and a couple of brief interviews, then we can't accept anything.

So question on I say.

[lynn cates]

help

Hello Mick. That is funny indeed.

Hope he does not decide to help ME.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

points

Hello Hercule. Welcome to the boards.

I think the points you bring up are essential. UNTIL they are answered, the DNA seems relatively unimportant. Of course, now even THAT is looking shaky.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

At the end of the day he put his finding's in a book aimed at the general public, so why are people whinging when the general public ask question's?

Tj

Exactly right, Tracy!
Those who have bought and read the book have every right to question any of the things stated in it that we find misleading, incorrect or unclear, including the large sections quoted from Dr Louhelainen himself.